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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 12 Aug 2020

      Apoorva Mandavilli Retweeted Tara Haelle

      You should just engage me directly, @tarahaelle. The article says quite clearly that it’s not clear how much virus is needed or how much airborne transmission contributes to the overall risk. But to not cover all this evidence at all, that is what I would say is irresponsible.https://twitter.com/tarahaelle/status/1293671860429901825 …

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      Tara HaelleVerified account @tarahaelle
      This is an irresponsible headline on an irresponsible article that assumes airborne transmission is a slam dunk. It’s not. The epidemiology still doesn’t support it, and the NYT’s continuing coverage of the issue is becoming increasingly dangerous. https://twitter.com/DoctorYasmin/status/1293229501124448256 …
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    3. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 12 Aug 2020
      Replying to @PearlF @tarahaelle

      I doubt @tarahaelle had anything to do with that piece. She's an excellent and a responsible journalist, I just don't agree with her take on how to cover this evidence.

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    4. Tara Haelle‏Verified account @tarahaelle 12 Aug 2020
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @PearlF

      Thank you, Apoorva. You’re correct. I also believe you’re an excellent and responsible journalist & have long admired your work. It’s the reason I’ve held back for so long, and I genuinely didn’t know how to approach my concerns abt your reporting on airborne transmission.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Tara Haelle‏Verified account @tarahaelle 12 Aug 2020
      Replying to @tarahaelle @apoorva_nyc @PearlF

      Your reporting on children & Covid has been excellent. Your reporting related to schools has been excellent. I’ve shared both. With the airborne transmission, I feel you rely too heavily on engineers & chemists & not enough on epis and the epi evidnece.

      3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    6. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 12 Aug 2020
      Replying to @tarahaelle @PearlF

      I did when the article was discussing *whether* airborne transmission is possible and had an epi element. But this piece was about the presence of infectious virus in air. So I talked to aerosol experts (including a couple with no dig in this fight) and virologists.

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 12 Aug 2020
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @tarahaelle @PearlF

      My job, as you know, is to report the evidence, asking the right experts to evaluate the evidence for *that paper*. and by now, there are very few people who believe airborne transmission never happens, so it's not something to belabor

      3 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Aug 2020
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @tarahaelle @PearlF

      Epidemiological evidence is *strongly* in favor of short-range aerosol transmission though. It's one of the strongest pieces of evidence for it. (Tara had gotten masks all wrong as well; amplifying the incorrect, though in fairness to her widely held, position they were harmful).

      4 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    9. Tara Haelle‏Verified account @tarahaelle 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @apoorva_nyc @PearlF

      Love how you continue to misrepresent me, Zeynep. I didn’t say masks were harmful. I wasn’t wrong abt them. I said community masks wld be a good idea WHEN IT BECAME POSSIBLE for the US to do it (I said that the first week of March), and you’re misrepresenting what I’m saying here

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Aug 2020
      Replying to @tarahaelle @apoorva_nyc @PearlF

      Tara, I dealt with this viral article you wrote for weeks--people sending it to me. You guys finally changed its headline, after I forgot how many weeks, but the damage was done. You were wrong; in your defense, so was the CDC and WHO. But not everyone was wrong.pic.twitter.com/wBEvPcHDS1

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Aug 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @tarahaelle and

      It had almost four million views as of that screenshot. You weren't alone in being this wrong and misreading the evidence, but you could've checked: the lead author of the article you cited as "evidence" for harm was publicly saying that wasn't the case & advocating for masks.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Aug 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @tarahaelle and

          You join many, many others in not checking and not being able to read the evidence correctly. It's a crowded field, so I'm not holding you personally responsible. Similarly, you're now wrong that epi evidence for short-range aerosols isn't there. The opposite. Anyway, that's all.

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        3. Tara Haelle‏Verified account @tarahaelle 15 Aug 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @apoorva_nyc @PearlF

          What’s most insulting & patronizing here is your suggestion that I’m unable to read the evidence when I have more expertise & experience in reading epi evidence than you do. You clearly, once again, aren’t reading what I’ve said about short range aerosols.

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        1. Tara Haelle‏Verified account @tarahaelle 15 Aug 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @apoorva_nyc @PearlF

          I did check. I did read the evidence. Did you see my article digging into the evidence for masks for all community wearing? The one that actually deals with the question of universal masks, which this article *did not* deal with?

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