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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Aug 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Alasdair Munro

      A really important thread on that South Korea/kids study that got widespread coverage that, in my view, was not warranted because even without extra info, its statistics were internally weird plus findings not in line with previous research. Plus ages were inappropriately binned.https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1292852036720091136 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Alasdair MunroVerified account @apsmunro
      A few weeks ago a study from SK got lots of attention for reportedly showed children aged 10 - 19 were just as, or more infectious than adults with #COVID19 But that was not the whole story This study on the very same children shows why https://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2020/08/06/archdischild-2020-319910 … 1/6
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Aug 2020

      I am not *at all* claiming kids are/aren't transmitting; but coverage in this area has been too-rushed, too-dependent on single studies that do not get same attention when corrected. Also, a lot of conflation between symptomatic kids (rarer) versus all kids (the big question).

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Aug 2020

      Sometimes, just like the fake Lancet surgisphere "global" study, the numbers don't quite add up even internally, and there's something weird going on. What? We don't immediately know. Maybe minor. Maybe not. Often, this is pointed out in real time, but ignored. Have to slow down.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Aug 2020

      Unfortunately, that SK story got so widespread coverage that I'm aware of parents ready to keep their 10-year old under literal house arrest for the next year, simply because of that. This is extremely damaging to children, especially since the 10-19 age group wasn't informative.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Aug 2020

      Parents are rightfully spooked. It's scary! High-profile reporting of single studies, especially when so many questions about it are raised immediately, doesn't help. We need preponderance of evidence and that means slowing down and reporting on the *accumulation* of studies.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Aug 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted

      I understand this but the study, as is, wasn't informative for the 10-19 age group, especially not as a whole, and especially for the younger end of the spectrum—but maybe none at all. Unclear. Decisions should not be driven by single studies like this. https://twitter.com/BaYouCanCallMe/status/1293154647436333057 …

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Aug 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Gag Halfrunt  ✍️ 🩸 🦷 🌊

      We may sadly be doing both; some places recklessly opening up without plans or protections while we're also needlessly spooking parents into extreme measures. I see both a lot. I'm advocating for: preponderance of studies and resources/plans based on that.https://twitter.com/dmjossel/status/1293155091357237259 …

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      Gag Halfrunt  ✍️ 🩸 🦷 🌊 @dmjossel
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      It does not look to me like there is a risk of children being held “under arrest”. It looks to me like we are at risk of filling schools with children without PPE, without social distancing, without any plan.
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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Aug 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Max Kennerly

      To be clear, as the linked thread makes it clear, there is no claim anywhere that kids aren't transmitting *at all*. The opposite of that, however, isn't how that SK study was represented, especially in headlines, that somehow, 10-19 is same as adults.https://twitter.com/MaxKennerly/status/1293156276394917888 …

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      Max KennerlyVerified account @MaxKennerly
      Replying to @zeynep
      This tweet. To say "I am not *at all* claiming kids are/aren't transmitting" suggests there is no evidence to say whether kids transmit at all. Obviously they do transmit, and obviously they get sick and die. The issue is how often relative to adults. https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1293153076447268867 …
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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Aug 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Erin Shedd

      Not blaming the parents! We needed to aggressively put resources into schools and it wasn't done. It's terrible all around. But understanding the relative risk is important so we can prioritize: younger kids; outdoors when possible; PPE for teachers; etc.https://twitter.com/NOLAcuse/status/1293158961529659392 …

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      Erin Shedd @NOLAcuse
      Replying to @zeynep
      And parents (and school administrators) have to decide within days or weeks what they are going to do. They don’t have time to wait for the preponderance of studies to make a decision. Can’t blame a parent for thinking that “winging it” isn’t a safe bet right now.
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Aug 2020

      Conclusion: studies are coming out quickly, but luckily, there's great pre- and post-publication peer-review going on by many scientists. Almost all issues are flagged within days; some resolved quickly, some needing further study. Slowing reporting to reflect all this will help.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Aug 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Nick Foy

          I'm aware of similar: kids as young as 10 that were set to have in-person interaction with resources and protections (including outdoors) are now online-only partly due to media coverage of that single study. (Not a single outlet thing! It was widespread!)https://twitter.com/TheNickFoy/status/1293162857270476802 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Nick Foy @TheNickFoy
          Replying to @zeynep @apoorva_nyc
          I only say that because three school board members sent it to me (independently) as a basis for their change in vote.
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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Aug 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Muge Cevik

          For a review of what we do & don't know about kids, see this *review* by @mugecevik @mlipsitch & @EdwardGoldste16. That South Korea study wasn't interpretable for transmission—yet the correction is less likely to have same reach. Reviews > one new study.https://twitter.com/mugecevik/status/1294690950489530369 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Muge CevikVerified account @mugecevik
          Replying to @zeynep @apoorva_nyc and 5 others
          Exactly. we cannot make strong claims and conclusions looking at this study and the reanalysis. But there is accumulating evidence now on this which we summarised in this review paper. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.19.20157362v2 …
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        1. Batu‏ @BatuAytemiz 11 Aug 2020
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          Do you have a recent go-to source summarizing the risks associated with different activities? I am attempting to dollowing the research but lacking access to a unified and simple messaging makes it difficult to communicate things to my parent and extended family Teşekkür ederim

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