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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Aug 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Alasdair Munro

      A really important thread on that South Korea/kids study that got widespread coverage that, in my view, was not warranted because even without extra info, its statistics were internally weird plus findings not in line with previous research. Plus ages were inappropriately binned.https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1292852036720091136 …

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      Alasdair MunroVerified account @apsmunro
      A few weeks ago a study from SK got lots of attention for reportedly showed children aged 10 - 19 were just as, or more infectious than adults with #COVID19 But that was not the whole story This study on the very same children shows why https://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2020/08/06/archdischild-2020-319910 … 1/6
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Aug 2020

      I am not *at all* claiming kids are/aren't transmitting; but coverage in this area has been too-rushed, too-dependent on single studies that do not get same attention when corrected. Also, a lot of conflation between symptomatic kids (rarer) versus all kids (the big question).

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    3. Max Kennerly‏Verified account @MaxKennerly 11 Aug 2020
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      "I'm not at all claiming this bad thing is or isn't happening," the ancient proverb of tobacco company executives trying to sow doubt and imply safety until it has been indisputably proven the thing is harmful at some arbitrarily chosen and always-shifting level.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Aug 2020
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      Sorry?

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    5. Max Kennerly‏Verified account @MaxKennerly 11 Aug 2020
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      Max Kennerly Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      This tweet. To say "I am not *at all* claiming kids are/aren't transmitting" suggests there is no evidence to say whether kids transmit at all. Obviously they do transmit, and obviously they get sick and die. The issue is how often relative to adults.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1293153076447268867 …

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      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      I am not *at all* claiming kids are/aren't transmitting; but coverage in this area has been too-rushed, too-dependent on single studies that do not get same attention when corrected. Also, a lot of conflation between symptomatic kids (rarer) versus all kids (the big question).
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Aug 2020
      Replying to @MaxKennerly

      I'll clarify. The thread I linked makes it clear; there is really no claim that kids aren't transmitting. It's just that SK study had 10-19 conclusions that just weren't warranted, and headlines that were even less warranted.

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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Aug 2020
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          FWIW kids die of this, mercifully, much less than the seasonal flu and are not superspreaders of it, like they're of the flu. That's not erasing the risks and the transmission question is of course super important and thorny but I'm also seeing many spooked beyond the evidence.

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        2. Max Kennerly‏Verified account @MaxKennerly 11 Aug 2020
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          Thank you. I agree with that. My concern is with the sowing of doubt around whether kids can transmit—not that you, personally, have done so, but that the belief is so prevalent that we need to be extra careful to avoid implying that we lack evidence to say kids can transmit.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Aug 2020
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          Yeah, I didn't mean that at all. I clarified. The SK study was so weird from day one, the statistics were internally incoherent and I saw reporting scare the living lights out of so many parents, including of young children, 10-11, that they don't want to let kids outside, even.

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