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    1. Prof. Jose-Luis Jimenez‏Verified account @jljcolorado 1 Aug 2020

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      14/ No time for a protracted fight. To overcome the current impasse, in which the evidence favors aerosol transmission (e.g https://twitter.com/jljcolorado/status/1288932022547656704 …) but the official guidance only timidly and contortedly acknowledges it, we need enough allies on ID-E-PH to turn the tide

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      Prof. Jose-Luis JimenezVerified account @jljcolorado
      1/ Why the arguments against aerosol transmission (AT) of SARS-CoV-2 don't hold water. See my Perspective in MedScape at: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/934837?src=uc_mscpedt&faf=1#vp_1 … I have been trying to understand for months what has convinced some researchers that AT is not important.
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    2. Prof. Jose-Luis Jimenez‏Verified account @jljcolorado 1 Aug 2020

      15/ (g) Arg -: “aerosols” don’t have a very specific meaning in health care. When I mention the 5 micron error in WHO guidance, nobody in ID-E-PH reacts. Often they say the equivalent of “microns schmicrons”, doesn’t matter much to them. This is an opportunity! “Aerosols” is...

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    3. Prof. Jose-Luis Jimenez‏Verified account @jljcolorado 1 Aug 2020

      16/ new term, malleable in health care. “Aerosol PPE” perhaps can be intermediate in dichotomous EITHER droplet OR airborne PPE situation. Diseases span a continuum of transmission, no reason there should only be 2 options! Some prominent ppl in ID-E-PH would welcome opportunity

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    4. Prof. Jose-Luis Jimenez‏Verified account @jljcolorado 1 Aug 2020

      17/ Summary: while all arguments carry some weight, to me (e)-(f)-(g) appear overwhelmingly more important in current situation. If, as I think, calling it “aerosol” get us closer to WHO etc accepting “aerosol transmission plays a substantial role in community”, setting...

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    5. Prof. Jose-Luis Jimenez‏Verified account @jljcolorado 1 Aug 2020

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      18/ clear guidelines to avoid it, communicating clearly (eg smoke analogy, better videos we all agree with, A CIViC DUTy-type slogans: https://twitter.com/jljcolorado/status/1289695523524374528 …) that would be a huge step forward. Imagine a world in which ID-E-PH and aerosol+ scientists agreed on...

      Prof. Jose-Luis Jimenez added,

      Prof. Jose-Luis JimenezVerified account @jljcolorado
      Let me suggest an improvement: Avoid Crowded Indoors low Ventilation Close proximity long Duration Unmasked Talking/singing/shouting Easier-to-remember acronym: "A CIViC-DUTy"
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    6. Prof. Jose-Luis Jimenez‏Verified account @jljcolorado 1 Aug 2020

      19/ community guidelines, all support WHO, CDC guidance, stop arguing in press, work together to tackle critical interdisciplinary problems? I believe (perhaps naively) that would be a little closer if we all agree to about “aerosol transmission” & stop saying “it is airborne”

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    7. Prof. Jose-Luis Jimenez‏Verified account @jljcolorado 1 Aug 2020

      20/ Thoughts? Comments? Reasons that I missed or didn’t articulate well? Suggestions for way forward? Thanks a lot if you made it to here!

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    8. Kimberly Prather, Ph.D.‏Verified account @kprather88 1 Aug 2020
      Replying to @jljcolorado

      I find it confusing to try and separate the two because aerosols are airborne. Based on my experience the public really appreciates a clear simple description so they can understand why they are asked to wear masks, avoid crowded rooms, etc. This virus is traveling in the air.

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    9. Dr. Saskia Popescu‏Verified account @SaskiaPopescu 2 Aug 2020
      Replying to @kprather88 @jljcolorado

      I’ve actually had good success describing it as short range aeorosols (and what airborne isn’t) - Dr. @angie_rasmussen explained it well on SciFri. I honestly have found people panic more with “airborne” bc the historical context. Appreciate the thread @jljcolorado!

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    10. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 2 Aug 2020
      Replying to @SaskiaPopescu @kprather88 @jljcolorado

      Same here. "Airborne" is vague and people associate it with long-range measles-esque transmission. I've found it is more useful to educate people about more specific terminology and put it in the context of the virus in question. People get short-range aerosols when explained.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Aug 2020
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @SaskiaPopescu and

      I struggled with this a lot and here's the problem I see. Language works descriptively, and not prescriptively. I like and use short-range aerosols whenever I can, but the public will use airborne hence I've decided that it's better that we do as well, but defining it correctly.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Aug 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @angie_rasmussen and

          So if I had magic-wand to fix terminology, I'd use short-range aerosols and nothing else. But there is no way to stuff airborne back into a bag so imho we should work on its incorrect connotations and fill that space with correct information (misinformation thrives on voids).

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Aug 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @angie_rasmussen and

          In the piece y'all contributed so much to, I kept saying short-range aerosols and explaining but I also didn't want people to think there is short-range aerosols and something *else* called airborne, and that the latter was impossibly scary. Really tough but here we are!

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        2. Mike Fisher‏ @mykfish 2 Aug 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @angie_rasmussen and

          That’s more or less where I landed, too. I think leading with something like ‘airborne’ can help capture the attention of folks not already on board with precautions, & be an on-ramp to the nuanced discussions, helping to move the needle toward adoption of safety measures.

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        3. Mike Fisher‏ @mykfish 2 Aug 2020
          Replying to @mykfish @zeynep and

          When we were looking for studies about PH messaging to help us design our face covering PSAs, wasn’t a whole lot of clear results out there, and I’ve been highly influenced by this by @AuforGAhttps://slate.com/technology/2019/03/public-health-strategy-vaccination-smoking-media-campaign.html …

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