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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Noah Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 31 Jul 2020

      China: * Covered up COVID-19 for a couple weeks Trump: * Repeatedly said COVID-19 was about to disappear * Discouraged mask-wearing * Promoted quack cures * Called on armed protesters to stop social distancing measures * Tried to reduce testing to cover up a rise in cases

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    2. Josh Barro‏Verified account @jbarro 31 Jul 2020
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      Those were pretty important weeks.

      27 replies 1 retweet 136 likes
    3. Noah Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 31 Jul 2020
      Replying to @jbarro

      Were they though? Seems vanishingly unlikely that China could have stamped out the virus before it escaped their borders. And as for warning time, we had all the warning time in the world.

      13 replies 3 retweets 106 likes
    4. Noah Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 31 Jul 2020
      Replying to @Noahpinion @jbarro

      COVID-19 was in France in December. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200506/first-french-covid-19-patient-was-admitted-in-december … The weeks when China covered it up were in January. https://www.wired.com/story/inside-the-early-days-of-chinas-coronavirus-coverup/ … China couldn't have possibly contained COVID within its borders.

      7 replies 10 retweets 51 likes
    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Aug 2020
      Replying to @Noahpinion @jbarro

      December report is scientifically shaky. Meh plausibility. Many places got first introduction that led to transmission chains in late January/February. This virus is overdispersed, a lot of introductions don’t lead to anything. China could have supressed the whole pandemic.

      2 replies 0 retweets 15 likes
    6. Noah Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 1 Aug 2020
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      "China could have supressed the whole pandemic." <-- There's no evidence for this, and massive evidence against this.

      3 replies 3 retweets 28 likes
    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Aug 2020
      Replying to @Noahpinion @jbarro

      Of course there is. There was fewer than 100 cases at the end of Dec, and their doctors were screaming, and being shut down, that this was a SARS-like coronavirus. They had the genome, hence PCR tests. Lots of places have suppressed epidemics much larger. Nothing to reintroduce.

      6 replies 0 retweets 21 likes
    8. Noah Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 1 Aug 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @jbarro

      No. Li Wenliang warned about it on 12/30/2019. There were already cases outside China by then. And instantly closing down a whole country in response to a few doctors' warnings about a new virus would have been unprecedented and unrealistic anyway. No, Zeynep.

      5 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
    9. Ken Goldsholl‏ @KenGoldsholl 1 Aug 2020
      Replying to @Noahpinion @zeynep @jbarro

      China may not have been able to keep Covid from escaping, but it would have been in such small numbers that every nation could have stopped it from spreading. The US govt did nothing until late March, and knee-capped CDC, even until today.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Aug 2020
      Replying to @KenGoldsholl @Noahpinion @jbarro

      I’ve no problem listing the many many many failures of US. I can hold two thoughts in my head, good skill.

      2:17 PM - 1 Aug 2020
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        1. Ken Goldsholl‏ @KenGoldsholl 1 Aug 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @Noahpinion @jbarro

          I know that, but I can’t pass up the opportunity to point out the complete and miserable failure of the US government. Nobody in the administration or the GOP senate that enabled this criminal negligence should ever be forgiven.

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