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    1. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 30 Jul 2020

      BREAKING: Children have at least as much virus in their nose and throat as adults do—and kids younger than 5 may have up to 100 times as much. This doesn’t *prove* that they transmit the virus, of course, but it’s suggestive.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/health/coronavirus-children.html …

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    2. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 30 Jul 2020

      This study is small and has limitations, but it's consistent with another study by @c_drosten which I wrote about here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/health/coronavirus-children-transmission-school.html …

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    3. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 30 Jul 2020

      The new study, in JAMA Pediatrics, is small and has some limitations. BUT it's pretty convincing that kids have a lot of virus in their upper respiratory tract. so if they're not transmitting, it's for completely other reasons 3/x

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    4. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 30 Jul 2020

      Kids might not be able to transmit much because they have smaller lungs, speak softer and are shorter. But as @JumoDr said, they'd shed what's in their nose & throat, not lungs. If height is an issue, they would transmit to other kids. and speak softer--have you met my kids? 4/x

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    5. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 30 Jul 2020

      I know people will say, well, of course symptomatic kids have more virus. The study tried to control for that as well as they could. But also, hi, asymptomatic transmission is a thing in adults, so why not in kids? 5/x

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 30 Jul 2020
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @c_drosten @JumoDr

      Because we have epidemiology data for adults. These are *symptomatic*’kids whose rarity is an unsolved puzzle and whose epidemiological data is going the other way from adults. That’s the difference.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 30 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @apoorva_nyc and

      (Also there’s other data on kids under five being more vulnerable. For some reason it is 5 to ~14 with the different pattern and ticking up from there. I always wondered why day cares are open if the elementary schools are not.)

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        2. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 30 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @c_drosten @JumoDr

          It includes kids above 5, too. And the symptoms are mild, so I’m not so sure they are as rare as you are suggesting.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 30 Jul 2020
          Replying to @apoorva_nyc @c_drosten @JumoDr

          Yes I was pointing to kids under five having potentially higher loads. Symptomatic kids (5-~14) are disproportionately rare in almost all studies in all countries. Ticks up but still relatively fewer after that too. Seems pretty undisputed, no? Part of the puzzle.

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        1. Richard Pizzi‏ @richpizzi 30 Jul 2020
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          Excellent point re: daycares. Daycares have been open for tens of thousands of US kids throughout the pandemic - mostly frontline workers - and very little recorded COVID transmission.

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        1. superdave‏ @BluzPower 1 Aug 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @apoorva_nyc and

          My granddaughter’s excellent, small Day Care closed mid-March. With Texas’ policies and infection rates in opposition to one another, they may not re-open. What a crazy, negligent administration. It all seems geared to short-term need$ & not long-term goals. Flip it Blue !!

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