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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @Pinboard

      I'm concerned how that kind of one-sided decision-making ("your opsec sucks so we will refuse you the right to a pen name") is disastrous for so many people with far fewer connections than him (and much more to lose). Pen names are a basic right they normally respect.

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    2. Magister and Technological Lich‏ @KirinDave 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @tqbf @Pinboard

      Without injecting the name here: the argument is a mental health professional who has been secretly cultivating a community around a eugenics movement, and who has on multiple occasions described patient outcomes in detail including location might have had this coming.

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    3. Magister and Technological Lich‏ @KirinDave 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @KirinDave @zeynep and

      Ignore opsec for a moment. If he's discussing patient details, locations and dating material; that's a big ethics red flag we can't simply handwave away with pseudonymity.

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    4. Magister and Technological Lich‏ @KirinDave 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @KirinDave @zeynep and

      The man in question here *specifically* says, "If my patients read my writing it would make it hard for them to listen to me, and that would impact my business." Folks nod like this is fair, but is it actually fair to patients to suggest they're not allowed to know this?

      1 reply 0 retweets 17 likes
    5. Magister and Technological Lich‏ @KirinDave 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @KirinDave @zeynep and

      You may find this argument fails to compel you, but that's the argument.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @KirinDave @tqbf @Pinboard

      A "he deserves de-anonymizing" because his of his views argument is different. Does not seem to be what NYT was doing or defending. And, yes, of course, therapists deserve extra consideration for privacy and pen names! (As do many others! Pen names are a basic right).

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 10 Jul 2020
      Replying to @_amtiskaw @KirinDave @Pinboard

      When you throw out words like "fan of eugenics" it kinda weakens your case "skaffen-amtiskaw", especially since you, yourself, are a pen name. I actually know a bit of history about what "fans of eugenics" have done and do not take kindly to the word being used lightly.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 10 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @_amtiskaw and

          Anybody who wants to write a piece about why he deserves de-anonymization should do so, but as someone familiar with history and current humanitarian crises, I'm so scared people have completely forgotten what eugenics actually means. It's not "I don't like this dude's views".

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        3. Magister and Technological Lich‏ @KirinDave 10 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @_amtiskaw @Pinboard

          What do you think "Eugenics" means, here? Perhaps the various definitions clashing here are why we can't see eye-to-eye.

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        2. Magister and Technological Lich‏ @KirinDave 10 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @_amtiskaw @Pinboard

          Scott literally said he likes Eugenics. Here is a comment underneath his "Left Libertarian Manifesto where he directly says he likes Eugenics."pic.twitter.com/uwnz6Pj33C

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        3. Magister and Technological Lich‏ @KirinDave 10 Jul 2020
          Replying to @KirinDave @zeynep and

          I do not know how it gets more direct than "I like Eugenics," but that fact that he defends and cites scientific racist Murray and his books "The Bell Curve" and "Human Diversity" was a big hint. I don't know what further corroboration you require. Scott is pro-eugenics.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 10 Jul 2020
          Replying to @_amtiskaw @KirinDave @Pinboard

          You’ll notice that I constantly engage with people who are pseudonyms on this site. I try hard not to discount people because they don’t use their drivers license name. I’m pointing out defending peoples right express themselves should be obviously valuable to you.

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        2. your #1 source for absurdist true crime  🐍 👑  🌷‏ @davidgerard 10 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @_amtiskaw and

          Scott literally and openly advocates eugenics, race and IQ theories and Murray's "The Bell Curve" as a serious work worthy of consideration. These are simple factual claims. Denying them does you zero credit.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 10 Jul 2020
          Replying to @davidgerard @_amtiskaw and

          Denying what? Moving the goalposts doesn't make me trust the rest of the argument. I'm conceding there may be a case; people who think so should make the case. I don't need to read or defend every last pseudonymous blog to defend pseudonyms!

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