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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @colourmeamused_ @melissamcewen and

      None of you have dealt with a jarring shift in pagerank, have you? This is what tech companies argued against us for years when we told them something that was obscure wasn't theirs to amplify as they saw fit, against people's wishes. This is terrible that everyone's forgotten.

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    2. wombot  👀‏ @colourmeamused_ 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @melissamcewen and

      That’s not the fight we’d be fighting by defending Scott in this situation though.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. wombot  👀‏ @colourmeamused_ 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @colourmeamused_ @zeynep and

      I just learned there’s a springer volume from 2015 in which he wrote under his full name and linked to his blog, still digesting that 🤯 I love your work and respect you Zeynep but I don’t think I’m changing my view of this one, genuinely appreciate you engaging though.

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    4. Jonah Edwards‏ @jonahedwards 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @colourmeamused_ @zeynep and

      I really do appreciate the argument that More Is Different, online scale represents a fundamental category shift from interpersonal social, but I honestly don't think that this is that. This is a person who wanted online scale and used their real identity when it suited them.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @jonahedwards @colourmeamused_ and

      First Google link to your usual doctor name is very very different than first name and middle name and seven pages in. His patients would not necessarily even know his middle name and to his luck, Scott is practical obscurity.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @jonahedwards and

      I get it, he didn't know what he was doing and dropped to many clues from his blog to his name; still the unilateral decision to deny a pen name by the NYT is not good precedent. De-anonymization should happen only through merit; not casual decision by giant company.

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    7. Jonah Edwards‏ @jonahedwards 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @colourmeamused_ and

      Fully agree that unilateral de-anonymization by the press is bad, but I don't think this is that. I think the idea that he was ever anonymous is an incorrect narrative that he has successfully pushed. I think he knew what he was doing, and I think the controversy was the point.

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @jonahedwards @colourmeamused_ and

      I know people who were not anonymous by that standard whose lives would be devastated if the NYT published an article about them with their full name and their pen name/blog. Amplification without consent just because "it's there" is a terrible power; should not be unchecked.

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @jonahedwards and

      I know, personally, I googled his first and last name (as a patient or a casual friend would) and it was page seven before I even got a suggestive link to blog, and it wasn't even a clear one. That's a lot of protection. Is he otherwise a jerk etc. aren't arguments against this.

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    10. Jonah Edwards‏ @jonahedwards 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @colourmeamused_ and

      Many others elsewhere and in this thread have indicated that they saw a simple google for the name in question bring up the blog in question. Google results are sufficiently personalized that individual datapoints are not only statistically invalid, but arguably disinformative.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @jonahedwards @colourmeamused_ and

      I tried, different computers, logged in and out. The fact that this was the case for me *is* informative. Most people are, erroneously, googling his first and middle name. That's not what a patient sees. People are still conflating blog--> real with Dr. first last to blog.

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        2. Jonah Edwards‏ @jonahedwards 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @colourmeamused_ and

          I could point to 2014 blog post that's the 4th google result for "dr first last", or post 10+ easy citations that link the blog and name. Assertion that your personal search results are significant is such a fundamental error that we are -- as you predicted -- not going to agree.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @jonahedwards @colourmeamused_ and

          What do you search for? Or did? Real name? In any case New York Times will absolutely dominate pagerank.

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