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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @jonahedwards @davidgerard and

      I am done with the his opsec was sloppy arguments. I know lots of people like that who absolutely deserve pen names and changed their mind as their circumstances changed. I'm getting a he wore a mini-skirt vibe here; genuinely scary to me given how many others are vulnerable.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    2. Jonah Edwards‏ @jonahedwards 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @davidgerard and

      That's not the argument, at least as I see it -- it's that he specifically wanted to have it both ways, to trade on his name and use it when convenient, but to play the victim when the (well-known) connection was easily made. At some point that becomes a part of the story.

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    3. McEwen‏ @melissamcewen 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @jonahedwards @zeynep and

      The mini skirt analogy is a perfect example because it doesn't work for Scott. He's not a woman dealing with sexual assault. He's a white male doctor who writes a blog popular with Silicon Valley hotshots. It's not poor opsec, he used his name when it benefited him.

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @melissamcewen @jonahedwards and

      It does, actually, because the miniskirt is the bad opsec, and my argument is that bad opsec doesn't make anyone deserving of losing a pen name by the power of the NYT. People argue identially: miniskirt=dress sexually when it benefits them, and that's the risk etc. etc.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @melissamcewen and

      Nobody has to like the guy; but we should absolutely be firm that the NYT should not casually shoot a pen name = real name linkage to the first Google search for the rest of someone's life. You cannot dislodge the NYT from Google results.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    6. wombot  👀‏ @colourmeamused_ 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @melissamcewen and

      I found his name in under 2 minutes via Google, it’s easily Googleable already. You’re accommodating his demand that we pretend it’s not public unless NYT publishes it. I don’t see why.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @colourmeamused_ @melissamcewen and

      None of you have dealt with a jarring shift in pagerank, have you? This is what tech companies argued against us for years when we told them something that was obscure wasn't theirs to amplify as they saw fit, against people's wishes. This is terrible that everyone's forgotten.

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    8. wombot  👀‏ @colourmeamused_ 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @melissamcewen and

      That’s not the fight we’d be fighting by defending Scott in this situation though.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. wombot  👀‏ @colourmeamused_ 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @colourmeamused_ @zeynep and

      I just learned there’s a springer volume from 2015 in which he wrote under his full name and linked to his blog, still digesting that 🤯 I love your work and respect you Zeynep but I don’t think I’m changing my view of this one, genuinely appreciate you engaging though.

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    10. Jonah Edwards‏ @jonahedwards 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @colourmeamused_ @zeynep and

      I really do appreciate the argument that More Is Different, online scale represents a fundamental category shift from interpersonal social, but I honestly don't think that this is that. This is a person who wanted online scale and used their real identity when it suited them.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @jonahedwards @colourmeamused_ and

      First Google link to your usual doctor name is very very different than first name and middle name and seven pages in. His patients would not necessarily even know his middle name and to his luck, Scott is practical obscurity.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @jonahedwards and

          I get it, he didn't know what he was doing and dropped to many clues from his blog to his name; still the unilateral decision to deny a pen name by the NYT is not good precedent. De-anonymization should happen only through merit; not casual decision by giant company.

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        3. Jonah Edwards‏ @jonahedwards 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @colourmeamused_ and

          Fully agree that unilateral de-anonymization by the press is bad, but I don't think this is that. I think the idea that he was ever anonymous is an incorrect narrative that he has successfully pushed. I think he knew what he was doing, and I think the controversy was the point.

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