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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @can and

      And I think people deserve a pen name until there is an argument on the merits. I've defended de-anonymization before (the reddit jailbait/creepshot moderator!). For SLC, he was careless is not an arguments on the merits. I know similar others; NYT respects their pen names.

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    2. Thoma§ H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @can and

      I know and respect where you’re coming from and expect we’ll mostly just end up disagreeing, but my case on the merits is that this person is anonymous only when called to account, but freely identifies themselves socially when it suits them.

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @zeynep and

      What a bizarre stance this is. You and I talk about all kinds of things in social settings that we would not want to see in the NYT. A meetup is not a deposition

      2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    4. Thoma§ H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @Pinboard @zeynep and

      I don’t know. Maybe I’m not sensitive enough to this stuff. I sign my name to what I write, and have spent a career assuming what I say will get pastebinned, as has happened several times.

      3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @Pinboard and

      If a loon shows up at your kids' school and you might have a different opinion on what friction and obscurity means. You'd immediately try to, at least, protect your address and your kids names and surprisingly, loons aren't always smart or efficient. Every bit of friction helps.

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    6. Thoma§ H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @Pinboard and

      Zeynep, I’ve had death threats, I’ve had my homedir pastebinned, I’ve had people try to shut my company down, I’ve had people “report” me for child pornography, I’ve had my utilities turned off, and have been confronted in person with violence over things I’ve said online.

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    7. Thoma§ H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @zeynep and

      I get what you’re saying, and the case I’m making is that I believe that up to the moment the NYT reporter told Scott Alexander about the article, a reasonable person could easily — after Google autocompleted his name, maybe — concluded S.A. wasn’t even a pseudonym.

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    8. Robert McMillan‏ @bobmcmillan 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @zeynep and

      Seems strange that people have definitive ideas about what the NYT did wrong here when we haven’t actually seen the exchange between SSC and the reporter or even the NYT article.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @bobmcmillan @tqbf and

      Regardless, pen names/pseudonyms should not be violated —especially by big outlets with pagerank power without equal–without significant justification on the merits of it. Was this not gonna happen? Sure, we don't know. The principle is straightforward; whatever the specifics.

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    10. Robert McMillan‏ @bobmcmillan 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @tqbf and

      Understood. What I’m wondering is... was that even really the discussion? We have only SSCs characterization to go on, but we haven’t seen what specifically was asked and replied and with no story this does have a bit of a precrime feel to it.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @bobmcmillan @tqbf and

      True. Maybe Cade will eventually clarify? Still, though, as a non-reader of SLC, I care about the principle. We had this fight for years with tech companies—it's on the internet so we can amplify as we fit—and it's disheartening the lessons have been largely lost.

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