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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Thoma§ H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @can and

      To inject some context: Scott Alexander appears to relish his role as a notable public intellectual, and in meetups — his blog has meetups! — apparently introduces himself with his real name.

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @can and

      Once again, NYT is a different game; it changes the Google aspect. I had a version of this problem before, and one NYT article was the change (in my case, I needed it--long story I should maybe write). Obscurity is in layers; one NYT article is forever your first search result.

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    3. Thoma§ H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @can and

      Sure, I’m not expecting that context to persuade you, I just think it’s worth making the distinction between people forced to be public figures (if only to express their conscience) and those who court that status deliberately.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @can and

      And I think people deserve a pen name until there is an argument on the merits. I've defended de-anonymization before (the reddit jailbait/creepshot moderator!). For SLC, he was careless is not an arguments on the merits. I know similar others; NYT respects their pen names.

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    5. Thoma§ H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @can and

      I know and respect where you’re coming from and expect we’ll mostly just end up disagreeing, but my case on the merits is that this person is anonymous only when called to account, but freely identifies themselves socially when it suits them.

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    6. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @zeynep and

      What a bizarre stance this is. You and I talk about all kinds of things in social settings that we would not want to see in the NYT. A meetup is not a deposition

      2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    7. Thoma§ H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @Pinboard @zeynep and

      I don’t know. Maybe I’m not sensitive enough to this stuff. I sign my name to what I write, and have spent a career assuming what I say will get pastebinned, as has happened several times.

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @Pinboard and

      If a loon shows up at your kids' school and you might have a different opinion on what friction and obscurity means. You'd immediately try to, at least, protect your address and your kids names and surprisingly, loons aren't always smart or efficient. Every bit of friction helps.

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    9. Thoma§ H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @Pinboard and

      Zeynep, I’ve had death threats, I’ve had my homedir pastebinned, I’ve had people try to shut my company down, I’ve had people “report” me for child pornography, I’ve had my utilities turned off, and have been confronted in person with violence over things I’ve said online.

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    10. Thoma§ H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @zeynep and

      I get what you’re saying, and the case I’m making is that I believe that up to the moment the NYT reporter told Scott Alexander about the article, a reasonable person could easily — after Google autocompleted his name, maybe — concluded S.A. wasn’t even a pseudonym.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @Pinboard and

      His professional doctor name -> Google -> did not lead to his blog easily before. I checked and I'm sure. Removing protection that is a major and consequential decision and should only be done on merits, i.e. *such a terrible misdeed that deserves exposure.*

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        2. Thoma§ H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @Pinboard and

          I absolutely believe you, but I’m asking you to believe me that within, like, an hour of SSC being taken down, a search of his real name got me to his blog in an anonymous browser window, as it did for several other people (though: can’t vouch for the timing for them).

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        3. Thoma§ H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @tqbf @zeynep and

          (but: we’re also being sucked into a twitter thread, and I’m not trying to persuade you; I think you’re making a good, important argument)

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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @tqbf and

          Also I'm sorry all that happened to you! My experience online is that every little bit of friction helps and "what do you have to hide" or "you said your name yourself in person" are not good arguments. It's a principle we should defend; NYT should not do this casually.

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        1. Magister and Technological Lich‏ @KirinDave 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @tqbf and

          I've posted screenshots the day of that showed exactly that relationship. Along with folks pointing out numerous trivially googleable things that fell out on page 2 or three that directly said it.

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