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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Magister and Technological Lich‏ @KirinDave 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @KirinDave @zeynep and

      The man in question here *specifically* says, "If my patients read my writing it would make it hard for them to listen to me, and that would impact my business." Folks nod like this is fair, but is it actually fair to patients to suggest they're not allowed to know this?

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    2. Magister and Technological Lich‏ @KirinDave 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @KirinDave @zeynep and

      You may find this argument fails to compel you, but that's the argument.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @KirinDave @tqbf @Pinboard

      A "he deserves de-anonymizing" because his of his views argument is different. Does not seem to be what NYT was doing or defending. And, yes, of course, therapists deserve extra consideration for privacy and pen names! (As do many others! Pen names are a basic right).

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    4. McEwen‏ @melissamcewen 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @KirinDave and

      How is using your first and middle name a "pen name"

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @melissamcewen @KirinDave and

      Quality of opsec should not be the criteria for right to pen name of any type. His first and middle name did not, until very recently, lead to his blog for many pages of Google searches. I know lots of people in vulnerable positions who enjoy similar obscurity protections.

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    6. McEwen‏ @melissamcewen 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @KirinDave and

      I would argue it was never a pen name. He used his full name to publish in a journal as noted by @ElSandifer. He blogged and was featured on rationalist blogs under his full name. His insistence that no one use his full name is relatively recent.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @melissamcewen @KirinDave and

      I've seen a lot of activists in vulnerable positions do just that; retreat from earlier public writings to a pen name, and it certainly helped them; friction is genuinely protective. One NYT article would utterly ruin it because now Google will pull it up.

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    8. McEwen‏ @melissamcewen 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @KirinDave and

      Scott is white man with an MD not an activist and not in a vulnerable position though.

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    9. McEwen‏ @melissamcewen 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @melissamcewen @zeynep and

      The people who are vulnerable are his patients, who he regularly blogs about without their consent.

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @melissamcewen @KirinDave and

      Things like pen names are not rights we should defend like that, though. None of us will like it if some big media company casually decides that for anyone. Now if there is a good reason to de-anonymize him or anyone else because of wrongdoing: different argument.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @melissamcewen and

      I wrote about and defended de-anonymizing the reddit moderator who oversaw a "jailbait" and "creepshot" reddits which were terrible, harmful, indefensible. In this case, most of the arguments I've seen are.. he made it easy. That's not a reason. It should be on the merits.

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        2. McEwen‏ @melissamcewen 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @KirinDave and

          I guess my thinking is you can't arbitrarily demand not to use your full name when you've used it in the past unless you have very good reasons

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @melissamcewen @KirinDave and

          Why not? I know people who've done just that and then worked and managed to bury their legal name for breathing room. Every tiny bit of friction helps. It's ridiculous but it's true. A two-step link really decreases the loon showing up at your doorstep, no joke.

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        2. Elizabeth Sandifer‏ @ElSandifer 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @melissamcewen and

          I think the ease is relevant too, however, because "de-anonymizing" implies that the anonymity was existent.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @ElSandifer @melissamcewen and

          Friction absolutely helps. Public and private are not binary just like the loon that shows up at your doorstep is not binary.

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        2. Magister and Technological Lich‏ @KirinDave 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @melissamcewen and

          Well, I'd like to point out then that even if we do hold the bar that this is "de-anonymizing" then yes, there are good reasons. He moderates a reddit that advocates for racist social policies. He's written stuff supportive of eugenics and racist social policies.

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        3. Magister and Technological Lich‏ @KirinDave 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @KirinDave @zeynep and

          He has said, "UBI as an incentive for Eugenics Programs is better than what we have now." He's recommended folks read Curtis Yarvin essays, and cited them. He defends widely discredited bad science and bad policy book "The Bell Curve."

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