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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Jul 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Rachel Maddow MSNBC

      These graphs *do not* speak for themselves. They correspond to very very different testing regimes. The map is not the territory. We know that cases in Arizona are rising. It's worrisome. But all these comparisons with past New York are not valid and are misleading people.https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1280921756170141696 …

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      Rachel Maddow MSNBCVerified account @maddow
      The orange/yellow line is per capita New York cases per day. The blue line is Arizona. https://twitter.com/willhumble_az/status/1280625570057875457 …
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Jul 2020

      Between graphs comparing cases from the past under very different testing regimes and graphs that commit so many crimes against the y-axis that a peak of 20 cases per day is indistinguishable from thousands of cases per day, I'm about ready to rant against all visuals.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Jul 2020

      Our data infrastructure is a catastrophe. The NYT had to sue to get racial breakdown from CDC; found minorities are suffering disproportionately due to workplace infections. (Someone tell their photo editors to stop posting beach pictures!) Good luck having proper age breakdowns.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Jul 2020

      We're just going to look at the hard measures. Deaths and hospitalization plus ICU. (But not as a percentage! Hospitals add capacity so percent utilized isn't comparable with the past. Look for absolute numbers). And those are reported haphazardly and late, so... Alas.

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    5. epistemically peerless‏ @VicarSterne 8 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Come on, Zeynep! You see the problem, why not just say why it's happening? Corrupting the y-axis is good for Maddow's bottom line, right? Just call it like it is.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Jul 2020
      Replying to @VicarSterne

      The y-axis crimes are across the political spectrum.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    7. epistemically peerless‏ @VicarSterne 8 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Right, but the distortions are usually tailored to the political needs of the hack in question. Of course, there is straightforward innumeracy too...

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Jul 2020
      Replying to @VicarSterne

      There's both, but sometimes there is one set of reasonable justifications for a particular graphing choice, but people who don't understand it create weird interpretations. It's the way probability models confused the hell out of everyone in 2016 because they were used to polls.

      11:51 AM - 8 Jul 2020
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        2. epistemically peerless‏ @VicarSterne 8 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Indeed. You did make yourself an enemy of ISIS, so I will continue to count on you to tell it like it is. One note: I wish modern writers were better educated. If they were, they would rely less on data and models, and more on judgment and experience. When they did use data, they

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        3. epistemically peerless‏ @VicarSterne 8 Jul 2020
          Replying to @VicarSterne @zeynep

          would be properly discriminatory in its use, so as to increase the clarity and distinctness of their arguments... But that would our writers to also be thinkers.

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