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    zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Jul 2020

    zeynep tufekci Retweeted Rachel Maddow MSNBC

    These graphs *do not* speak for themselves. They correspond to very very different testing regimes. The map is not the territory. We know that cases in Arizona are rising. It's worrisome. But all these comparisons with past New York are not valid and are misleading people.https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1280921756170141696 …

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    Rachel Maddow MSNBCVerified account @maddow
    The orange/yellow line is per capita New York cases per day. The blue line is Arizona. https://twitter.com/willhumble_az/status/1280625570057875457 …
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      2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Jul 2020

        Between graphs comparing cases from the past under very different testing regimes and graphs that commit so many crimes against the y-axis that a peak of 20 cases per day is indistinguishable from thousands of cases per day, I'm about ready to rant against all visuals.

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      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Jul 2020

        Our data infrastructure is a catastrophe. The NYT had to sue to get racial breakdown from CDC; found minorities are suffering disproportionately due to workplace infections. (Someone tell their photo editors to stop posting beach pictures!) Good luck having proper age breakdowns.

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      4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Jul 2020

        We're just going to look at the hard measures. Deaths and hospitalization plus ICU. (But not as a percentage! Hospitals add capacity so percent utilized isn't comparable with the past. Look for absolute numbers). And those are reported haphazardly and late, so... Alas.

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      2. seb alex andrivet  🐱 💀‏ @Undead_misfit 8 Jul 2020

        Errr, cases per test is an obviously meaningless metric...

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      2. Stefan Baral‏Verified account @sdbaral 8 Jul 2020
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        Sadly, positivity rates are really complicated as well. Ie, there are numerators and denominators. Both are complex. Denominators are driven by testing strategies and numerators may also be affected by test sens/spec which is variable depending on timing of test to exposure.

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      1. moveable beast‏ @m0veablebeast 8 Jul 2020
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        Hospitalizations don’t lie. ICU admits don’t lie. Excess deaths don’t lie.

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      1. Anil Gurcan  🚴 🚄  ♻‏ @gurcanmeister 8 Jul 2020
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        Are saying testing is Arizona now is higher than it was in NY at the time?

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      1. Dr. Ira A‏ @beimpermissible 8 Jul 2020
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        Not to mention, they let @NYGovCuomo off the hook by obscuring his disastrous mishandling early on, and also elide the difference between parts of AZ where masks are worn and #s lower and parts where mask-defiance is an article of faith and #s higher.

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