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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Jun 2020

      This virus is not a moral agent that will disproportionately smite young people who annoy their elders with all their fun or one's ideological enemies. It spreads with some behaviors and settings that are not in a moral or ideological hierarchy. It's not a religion, it's a virus.

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Jun 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Jen Simmons

      If people will socialize, beaches are likely the least worst option. Vast open air, sunlight and space. We have six months of epidemiology now on *actual* high-risk settings. Beaches and parks are not on the list. But so many articles use those pictures.🙄https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/1276588972479778819 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Jen Simmons @jensimmons
      Ugh! The ‘secret’ house parties people are having.... “it's only 8 people. Sure, everyone who came each went to an another party yesterday, with a different 5-10 people, all indoors, all in small apartments — but what’s wrong with that? We need to get out & socialize!“ https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1276587493316595712 …
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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Jun 2020

      Here's a piece I wrote on April 7th, lining up the evidence for keeping parks (and yes) beaches open with sensible guidelines, and avoid devolving into pandemic theater because it would be unsustainable, would backfire and end up with polarization, not results. So that went well.pic.twitter.com/WoXZNsCeYC

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Jun 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted David Parry

      Yep. How often do you can you up speaking at a range closer than 1m with a stranger for 15+ minutes on a beach? It's really hard to truly pack a beach. And even then, it's outdoors (vast air) with sunlight, unlike anything indoors, let alone a bar!https://twitter.com/academicdave/status/1276860243771883538 …

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      David Parry @academicdave
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      Also a huge number of these photos are taken with lenses that distort perspective and make them seem more crowded
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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Jun 2020

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      Yeah, this will work as well as abstinence-only sex education for teenagers—leads to more unsafe sex rather than less sex. You just cannot order people not to socialize for 18 months. What you can do is give evidence-based guidance on how: i.e. outdoors! https://twitter.com/JessMMac92/status/1276863433670103041 …

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Jun 2020

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      Very smart point. The unscientific, moralizing and you-know-what (bikini pics!) focus on beaches is not just wrong and counter-productive, it is a form of defeat. It turns epidemiology into a religion with a hierarchy of morals and encourages surrender. https://twitter.com/elsenorrocket/status/1276866054401273856 …

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Jun 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted AWE

      Real issues! The answer is to manage that rather than obsessive condemnation of the least risky part. Open up local outdoors/parks to minimize travel. In vacation towns, outdoor seating or take-out only. No indoor bars. Encourage porch gatherings, etc.https://twitter.com/AndyWEllis/status/1276867536978448384 …

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      AWE @AndyWEllis
      Replying to @zeynep @VirginiaBuysse
      The % if people abiding by pod philosophy is astoundingly low. I also am unconcerned with on the beach activity, but the ancillary party/social activities afterward. No to mention, cross pollination of different groups from different states raises the national risk profile
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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Jun 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Jennifer Wright

      Yeah, it's almost like they want to just keep publishing beach pictures! If it were 100s of pictures of risky indoor places and an occasional picture of a packed beach, we'd go meh, okay. Nothing is zero risk. But it's almost every article! Enough already.https://twitter.com/jaydeedubdesign/status/1276878111477583873 …

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      Jennifer Wright @jaydeedubdesign
      Replying to @zeynep
      Yes! The @orlandosentinel posted a beach pic accompanying a story about an increase in cases in Orange and Seminole counties, where there are No beaches!
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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Jun 2020

      What more is there to say? Even places with *no beaches* (both in central Florida) get a beach picture to accompany reporting about increasing cases. 🙄 Again: it's a virus, not a religion. It's not going to disproportionately smite people who're having fun. ht @jaydeedubdesignpic.twitter.com/uIZ2i9LRqX

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Jul 2020

      This photo is in an article in the Washington Post that has many reasonable and important points about unmasked crowding *indoors* in Myrtle beach. The caption? "Crowds pack the beach." Who you gonna believe, your lying eyes or the irresistible pull of misinforming moralizing?pic.twitter.com/9JtxUcU77n

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Jul 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Vic Micolucci WJXT

      At this point, this “grim reaper” beach performance isn’t about the pandemic or this virus. It’s straight up moralizing about sinful behavior. Terrible from a public health stand. Those people are not doing anything high-risk, as one’s own eyes can see.https://twitter.com/wjxtvic/status/1279087603862704128 …

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      Vic Micolucci WJXTVerified account @WJXTvic
      GRIM REAPER IN JAX BEACH: Florida attorney @DWUhlfelderLaw dressed as the reaper lurked in Jacksonville Beach today, warning people of the dangers of crowds and COVID-19. Some took his message to heart, while others accused him of fear mongering. More on @wjxt4. pic.twitter.com/jWer1IY2f9
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        2. Saoirse Like Inaoirse‏ @HeadAsploding 3 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          It was less clear back then that large crowds at beaches was relatively safe, but it's certainly clear now that this is the case. Of course, people should still practice distancing there, but outdoor transmission just isn't as much of a threat as indoor transmission.

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        3. W.S. Ballsack's Medicine Show‏ @PhilNotPhil 3 Jul 2020
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          This is from earlier today

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        1. Loyal Stingray‏ @LoyalStingray 3 Jul 2020
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          It's a ripoff of The Swim Reaper. https://www.instagram.com/iamtheswimreaper/?hl=en …pic.twitter.com/VRSgyWQqw0

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        2. Sweating in Texas  🥵‏ @snarkytalk 3 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          The beach itself isn’t the problem. It’s taking a bus or shuttle to the beach, the crowded parking lots and restaurants near it. The public bathrooms and showers.

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        2. Get vaccinated. Against COVID & fascism. web rant‏ @web_rant 3 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @mollycrabapple

          In the only photo in the tweet that features other people, they are standing right next to each other drinking alcohol. How is that not high risk in a state currently with what CDC would estimate to be over 100,000 infections a day? (10x tested rate).pic.twitter.com/7sKTBfwuKk

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        3. PK‏ @PKellyMLB 3 Jul 2020
          Replying to @web_rant @zeynep @mollycrabapple

          It is way lower risk then them standing next to eachother at a bar or an indoor house party, which is where they'd probably be if the beach was closed!

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        1. Thirsty Cruz. Big E. Lets Ski.‏ @CruzThirsty 3 Jul 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          It's exhausting & nothing sinful about beaches. What IS sinful is zoning & development effectively making beaches private and funneling the public into crowds. Bad before COVID, and worst now. Grim reaper should focus on THAT. With any luck, he'll have a heat stroke instead.

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