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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @boriquagato

      Finally, all the correlational studies that find states/countries with mask mandates doing better? Sure, maybe it's due to confounding that masks are associated with *other* better behaviors but... that just kills the harm argument.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Jul 2020
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      But that’s really stretching it. There then has to be harm, not demonstrated, also somehow never comes up in studies, but is dwarfed by a lot of benefits, all of which have to be orthagonal to the mask benefit.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Jul 2020
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      That is the most misunderstood study of all! First, it’s included in our source control review. We wouldn’t ignore it. Second, the lead author of that study that is on the record in this pandemic recommending cloth masks for the community. For good reason! +

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Jul 2020
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      That study compares cloth masks, barely washed or changed, to standard surgical mask use in healthcare workers and very unsurprisingly finds surgical masks are superior. Of course! That does not at all indicate no masks are safer than cloth masks, let alone in the community. +

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Jul 2020
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      There is no dispute that surgical masks are safer for healthcare workers. Again lead author of that very study is on the record the whole time underlining how, very obviously, that study does not say no masks are better than cloth masks, or cloth masks are riskier than no masks.

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Jul 2020
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      No, no! Control is "regular practice" which is surgical masks. How on earth could they do a study with no masks in a hospital? Control is not no masks. Again, lead author has been recommending cloth masks the whole time. I'll find that for you, too.pic.twitter.com/Mg4lyP4CSr

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Jul 2020
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      https://kirby.unsw.edu.au/news/covid-19-how-much-do-social-distancing-and-masks-reduce-risk … and https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/healthreport/coronavirus-face-masks-physical-distancing-reduce-risk/12326902 …. She's been recommending masks, even cloth masks, the whole time, and control arm there is not no masks, and she presumably knows her study best.

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