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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Jun 2020

      A devastating account of how—despite mounting evidence—Western health agencies and the WHO did not face the reality of COVID transmission without symptoms and even kept nitpicking about pre- vs asymptomatic despite lack of consequence for practical steps. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/27/world/europe/coronavirus-spread-asymptomatic.html …pic.twitter.com/NMR1UdhnhO

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Jun 2020

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      On Jan 29th, we had an excellent paper in the NEJM from Chinese scientists (finally being allowed to publish!) that made it clear that COVID clinical presentation wasn't like SARS—which always came with fever. I tweeted about it back then. It was alarming!https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1222662053329924098 …

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      So far, #nCoV2019 has some features more favorable than SARS (no super-spreaders identified yet etc.) BUT @NEJM paper says some have atypical presentation: gastro symptoms or mild clinical presentation. (SARS came with high fever). Translation: we need maybe millions of tests.😬
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      • RE-OPEN THE SIZZLERS Alison Gemmill Anna Rotkirch Andrei Oses Proud European from Austria🇪🇺🇦🇹 🌏 Paul 'Living in the Crazy Years' Harper tib Mikaela Olsen Patricia Plunkett
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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Jun 2020

          Then we had months of papers/cases showing some transmission from people who were either presymptomatic, or too mildly ill to notice, or were just plain asymptomatic. There are still unknowns but doesn't matter. The public health consequence is the same. Policy needed to adjust.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Jun 2020

          Yes, the pandemic is like the fog of war. We go in with unknowns, some of which will take decades to unravel. It made sense to have baseline assumptions from SARS. But the fog means that one has to be on *most* alert for signals that the assumptions are not holding up.

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        4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Jun 2020

          We all should have enormous sympathy for and gratitude towards the scientists. This is necessarily an error-prone process: high-stakes and rushed. The problem isn't "oh, someone got X wrong" but that the broader policy decision-making process was not what it should have been.

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        1. Peter Merholz‏ @peterme 28 Jun 2020
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          This is reminiscent (though kind of in reverse) of the folks who allowed themselves to be duped into supporting the Iraq War and fearing WMD when it was apparent to anyone paying the slightest attention that evidence was fabricated. People hear what they want to hear.

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        1. jamal‏ @JAMAL_K_HARAMBE 28 Jun 2020
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          there's not enough data to know definitely that SARS always presented with a fever.

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