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    zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Jun 2020

    zeynep tufekci Retweeted Jeremy Konyndyk

    Also my impression from reading months cases/papers. 6 feet indoors isn't same as 6 feet outdoors. Many super-spreading event indoors even when people are distanced but unmasked, talking and there for some time. On the other hand, the bar for infection outdoors seems to be high.https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/1276968353182220288 …

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    Jeremy KonyndykVerified account @JeremyKonyndyk
    85 cases, from a single restaurant, that followed spacing guidelines, in a state with relatively low transmission. I’m very pessimistic that there’s any safe way to reopen indoor dining. Capping occupancy won’t cut it. Outdoor and carry out only for now. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/27/us/michigan-coronavirus-bar-harpers/index.html …
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      1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Jun 2020

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Katie Mack

        So, this. We are six months in. We have many papers and cases and studies. Neither spacing nor hand-sanitizer will cut it for being safely indoors—especially if people are talking and/or are unmasked. Also, hi, beaches aren't leading to big outbreaks.https://twitter.com/AstroKatie/status/1276919877803151365 …

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        Katie MackVerified account @AstroKatie
        Any organization that justifies bringing workers back into offices by touting their hand sanitizer and desk spacing is completely unserious. Show me your HEPA filters and ventilation system diagrams. Is your AC recirculated? Where is the air flow? What CO2 levels do you reach?
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      1. bart‏ @bart_smith 27 Jun 2020
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        bart Retweeted philip lewis

        The line of people to get inside didn’t seem to be wearing masks or keeping a 6-foot distance https://twitter.com/phil_lewis_/status/1275409775178768385?s=21 …https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1275409775178768385 …

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        philip lewisVerified account @Phil_Lewis_
        This is the line outside of an East Lansing bar over the weekend. The bar announced last night that they are temporarily closing. https://eastlansinginfo.news/following-widespread-public-criticism-about-unmasked-crowds-harpers-closes-to-regroup/ … pic.twitter.com/9OT199l7xz
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      2. Nicholas Weaver‏Verified account @ncweaver 27 Jun 2020
        Replying to @zeynep

        Until there is a vaccine I will only dine outdoors at restaurants. At this point, all states SHOULD eliminate indoor dining. They won’t, but they should.

        1 reply 3 retweets 17 likes
      3. Amy Castor‏ @ahcastor 27 Jun 2020
        Replying to @ncweaver @zeynep

        You think outdoor dining is safe? I get nervous if I'm within 30 feet of someone without a mask on.

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      2. Koen‏ @KoenSwinkels 27 Jun 2020
        Replying to @zeynep

        https://medium.com/@codecodekoen/covid-19-superspreading-events-database-4c0a7aa2342b … (the rarity of outdoor transmission, as well as the ocurence of indoor transmission even when social distancing guidelines are followed would both be pretty easily explainable if transmission occurs primarily through aerosols, not large droplets)

        1 reply 2 retweets 7 likes
      3. Gearóid McMahon‏ @gearoidmm 27 Jun 2020
        Replying to @KoenSwinkels @zeynep

        I think if that were the case then a lot more HCW would be getting sick. But they aren’t, at least in our institution where we were inundated with COVID in April.

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      2. A Marm Kilpatrick‏ @DiseaseEcology 27 Jun 2020
        Replying to @zeynep

        Please read to the end of the thread. @JeremyKonyndyk 1st tweet badly mis-characterizes the situation. This outbreak provides no data that indoor gatherings with spacing leads to high transmission risk.

        1 reply 1 retweet 9 likes
      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Jun 2020
        Replying to @DiseaseEcology @JeremyKonyndyk

        There are enough examples, though.

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      1. Mad Michael‏ @michaelyaehne 27 Jun 2020
        Replying to @zeynep

        In my province our two largest cities had protests several weeks ago, each with several thousand people. Large majority wore masks. No cases of COVID-19 associated with the protests.

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      2. Rafik‏ @rafik 27 Jun 2020
        Replying to @zeynep

        Thr idea of 3Cs in Japan seems more and more sensiblehttps://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/06/27/national/japanese-cluster-study-3cs-warning-coronavirus/ …

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      3. HannahBC‏ @chibio 27 Jun 2020
        Replying to @rafik @zeynep

        I've been pointing this out for months. New cases reported are usually because of the 3Cs, workers at bars and clubs, people who dined with friends, etc.

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