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    1. Louis Fishman لوي فيشمان לואי פישמן‏Verified account @Istanbultelaviv 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @Istanbultelaviv @james_e_baldwin and

      And, certainly, it only takes one day.

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    2. James E. Baldwin‏ @james_e_baldwin 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @Istanbultelaviv @zeynep @Eleni_Co

      But we have to come up with a sustainable way of living. Imo it's crazy to discourage people from going to beaches, which are among the least risky public places, just because they might become dangerously crowded one time in a million

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    3. Louis Fishman لوي فيشمان לואי פישמן‏Verified account @Istanbultelaviv 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @james_e_baldwin @zeynep @Eleni_Co

      No one is saying do not go to a beach--we were talking about risk+I believe the risk is there when it is crowded+people are w/o masks. So education is key. Beach, park, crowded outdoor restaurant--they all can bring serious risks. "Least risky" in some circumstances but not all.

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    4. James E. Baldwin‏ @james_e_baldwin 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @Istanbultelaviv @zeynep @Eleni_Co

      Lots of people are scaremongering about beaches and shaming beachgoers - that's what this thread's all about! I agree we need clear messaging on what the risks are, and certainly in the UK there's been a total failure to do this

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    5. Louis Fishman لوي فيشمان לואי פישמן‏Verified account @Istanbultelaviv 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @james_e_baldwin @zeynep @Eleni_Co

      My point were beaches can be just as risky as other places. That people are being shamed+scared not to go I can't speak about. My daughter went to beach just yesterday, I told her like I do to every place: remain socially distanced, don't let guard down+don't swim w/o life guard.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @Istanbultelaviv @james_e_baldwin @Eleni_Co

      I'll leave it here but that's exactly the misunderstanding! The beaches are *not* as risky as other places, and that is such a dangerous public health message! Six months of epidemiology obsessive focus and no known big beach outbreak. But many many many dead because of indoors.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @Istanbultelaviv and

      See, you've been misled! As have ordinary people. It's terrible, because not explaining actual risk is of deadly consequence in a pandemic. That's why I think it's malpractice. But here we are! alas...

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    8. Louis Fishman لوي فيشمان לואי פישמן‏Verified account @Istanbultelaviv 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @james_e_baldwin @Eleni_Co

      I respect your opinion, but certainly I have not been "misled," if that is directed to me. That claim I might say is a bit presumptuous on your part.

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @Istanbultelaviv @james_e_baldwin @Eleni_Co

      "Beaches can be as risky as anyplace" is misleading. Risk is not flat. We have six months of science now. You can decide what the best term for that is.

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    10. Louis Fishman لوي فيشمان לואי פישמן‏Verified account @Istanbultelaviv 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @james_e_baldwin @Eleni_Co

      I enjoyed our exchange+I learned some things (but still think it depends on circumstances as I highlight in our conversation). But to claim someone who does not agree with you has been "misled" isn't really a way to end an conversation. Is it? Very unfortunate choice of words.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @Istanbultelaviv @james_e_baldwin @Eleni_Co

      I do think people have been misled, but that's not about you! 😃 That was the original reason for my thread, that the incorrect photo choice is misleading. But I'm okay with whatever word you think is best to describe something that doesn't reflect the underlying science.

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        1. Louis Fishman لوي فيشمان לואי פישמן‏Verified account @Istanbultelaviv 27 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @james_e_baldwin @Eleni_Co

          "See, you've been misled! As have ordinary people." So, of course I read it as it was directed to me and thus my comment that it was an unfortunate choice of words. Thanks for clarifying.

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        2. Yilmaz Ak‏ @educak 27 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @Istanbultelaviv and

          I was at a beach in Norfolk yesterday and it certainly did not seem safe to me. It was crowded, obviously no masks, no social distancing. Plus, the whole area surrounding the beach, shops, hotels, restaurants, seemed like never heard of the virus, very few people wearing masks.

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        3. Yilmaz Ak‏ @educak 27 Jun 2020
          Replying to @educak @zeynep and

          People don't just go to the beach and go back home. They shop, eat, and drink while out and all of a sudden not wearing a mask seems ok.

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        1. Rosbel‏ @rosalind_polat 27 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @Istanbultelaviv and

          The Science has different views

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