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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @Istanbultelaviv @Eleni_Co

      Yes people should not be packed but "packed" in a beach isn't really packed. It's outdoors, so the virus is diluted by open air and subject to sunlight. And when are you closer than 1m to a stranger for 15 minutes on a beach? We've had packed beaches for months & no big outbreak.

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    2. Louis Fishman لوي فيشمان לואי פישמן‏Verified account @Istanbultelaviv 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @Eleni_Co

      Yes, no one talked about a mask, but I cannot imagine that beaches in the UK and California are safe. I am not sure where you are and of course beaches are safe like parks in that sense. But parks too seem borderline at times in NYC. This pic from UK speaks volumes.pic.twitter.com/mzwH62zAtK

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    3. James E. Baldwin‏ @james_e_baldwin 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @Istanbultelaviv @zeynep @Eleni_Co

      That pic is from one day when by all accounts the town had unprecedented numbers of visitors. It's not remotely typical of UK beaches during the pandemic

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    4. Louis Fishman لوي فيشمان לואי פישמן‏Verified account @Istanbultelaviv 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @james_e_baldwin @zeynep @Eleni_Co

      Yes, but it happened. You can find 10 photos like this from California/NYC parks on any given day. So was not trying to make big statement about UK. My point, people so close together w/o masks anywhere is not good. I protested daily in NYC, we had masks. Still was worried a bit.

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    5. Louis Fishman لوي فيشمان לואי פישמן‏Verified account @Istanbultelaviv 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @Istanbultelaviv @james_e_baldwin and

      And, certainly, it only takes one day.

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    6. James E. Baldwin‏ @james_e_baldwin 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @Istanbultelaviv @zeynep @Eleni_Co

      But we have to come up with a sustainable way of living. Imo it's crazy to discourage people from going to beaches, which are among the least risky public places, just because they might become dangerously crowded one time in a million

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    7. Louis Fishman لوي فيشمان לואי פישמן‏Verified account @Istanbultelaviv 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @james_e_baldwin @zeynep @Eleni_Co

      No one is saying do not go to a beach--we were talking about risk+I believe the risk is there when it is crowded+people are w/o masks. So education is key. Beach, park, crowded outdoor restaurant--they all can bring serious risks. "Least risky" in some circumstances but not all.

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    8. James E. Baldwin‏ @james_e_baldwin 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @Istanbultelaviv @zeynep @Eleni_Co

      Lots of people are scaremongering about beaches and shaming beachgoers - that's what this thread's all about! I agree we need clear messaging on what the risks are, and certainly in the UK there's been a total failure to do this

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    9. Louis Fishman لوي فيشمان לואי פישמן‏Verified account @Istanbultelaviv 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @james_e_baldwin @zeynep @Eleni_Co

      My point were beaches can be just as risky as other places. That people are being shamed+scared not to go I can't speak about. My daughter went to beach just yesterday, I told her like I do to every place: remain socially distanced, don't let guard down+don't swim w/o life guard.

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @Istanbultelaviv @james_e_baldwin @Eleni_Co

      I'll leave it here but that's exactly the misunderstanding! The beaches are *not* as risky as other places, and that is such a dangerous public health message! Six months of epidemiology obsessive focus and no known big beach outbreak. But many many many dead because of indoors.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @Istanbultelaviv and

      See, you've been misled! As have ordinary people. It's terrible, because not explaining actual risk is of deadly consequence in a pandemic. That's why I think it's malpractice. But here we are! alas...

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        2. Louis Fishman لوي فيشمان לואי פישמן‏Verified account @Istanbultelaviv 27 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @james_e_baldwin @Eleni_Co

          I respect your opinion, but certainly I have not been "misled," if that is directed to me. That claim I might say is a bit presumptuous on your part.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Jun 2020
          Replying to @Istanbultelaviv @james_e_baldwin @Eleni_Co

          "Beaches can be as risky as anyplace" is misleading. Risk is not flat. We have six months of science now. You can decide what the best term for that is.

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