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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Perry E. Metzger‏ @perrymetzger 21 Jun 2020
      Replying to @mattblaze @brettvalle @washingtonpost

      We don’t need to. There was a consensus as of that date.

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    2. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 21 Jun 2020
      Replying to @perrymetzger @brettvalle @washingtonpost

      Perry, you know better than this. A few papers does not == consensus. That's not how it works.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Perry E. Metzger‏ @perrymetzger 21 Jun 2020
      Replying to @mattblaze @brettvalle @washingtonpost

      But there was already a consensus. Really. And there was for a long time. This is why so many countries in the far east were using masks for the general public at tge start of this, and why even in our country, PPE is routinely given to hospital workers.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Perry E. Metzger‏ @perrymetzger 21 Jun 2020
      Replying to @perrymetzger @mattblaze and

      I am quite serious in stating that what happened was that many public health officials were worried that masks would be hoarded if people knew that they were effective. I’m not joking, and the evidence for it is widely available. This is not some crazy conspiracy theory.

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    6. Perry E. Metzger‏ @perrymetzger 21 Jun 2020
      Replying to @aarongraves @mattblaze and

      Yes, there are many such public statements. It’s not in serious dispute. What’s remarkable is how profoundly bad the long term effects of this fib have been.

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    7. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 21 Jun 2020
      Replying to @perrymetzger @aarongraves and

      I'm not defending it (because I believe we're better served by truth), but if there's as shortage of PPE, it may well have been a better overall outcome to ration it for healthcare workers, at risk people, etc, and ask the rest of us to stay home and distance. Complex calculus.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 21 Jun 2020
      Replying to @mattblaze @perrymetzger and

      In particular, healthcare workers can't usually stay 6-10 feet away from the people they're treating.

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    9. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 21 Jun 2020
      Replying to @mattblaze @perrymetzger and

      But again, I want experts and their orgs to tell the truth, even when that might hurt some larger and valid immediate goal (like ensuring availability of PPE for those who need it most).

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    10. Brett Valle‏ @brettvalle 21 Jun 2020
      Replying to @mattblaze @perrymetzger and

      Brett Valle Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      There was discussion in March on this topic, e.g.,https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1240718146434195458?s=20 …

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      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      One of the worst mistakes that CDC and WHO made has been to stigmatize mask wearing instead of telling nations to quickly seize N95 supply for health-care workers, distribute extras in sensible numbers, ramp up production everywhere, distribute surgical masks and let us mask up.
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Jun 2020
      Replying to @brettvalle @mattblaze and

      That Washington Post story was evidence free and ridiculous. It portrayed universally mask wearing Asian people as superstitious. Yes, CDC was wrong but journalists should have done better in my view. The Asian experts who recommended masks are experts, not superstitious randos.

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        2. Brett Valle‏ @brettvalle 21 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @mattblaze and

          There was a transition in the coverage and recommendations around that time (N95 vs cloth masks, etc) https://www.nap.edu/read/11637/chapter/6#62 …

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        3. Brett Valle‏ @brettvalle 21 Jun 2020
          Replying to @brettvalle @zeynep and

          I believe the concern was with respect to the effectiveness of non-N95 masks ('The committee is concerned that their use may give users a false sense of protection that will encourage risk taking and/or decrease attention to other hygiene measures.')

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