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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Jun 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Eric Topol

      "Increasing evidence has shown that asymptomatic individuals can spread the virus efficiently, and the emergence of these silent spreaders of SARS-CoV-2 has caused difficulties in the control of the epidemic."https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1273602756280856576 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Eric TopolVerified account @EricTopol
      The first in-depth, dedicated, immunologic profile of people who had #COVID19 but never developed symptoms—the asymptomatics (N=37) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0965-6.pdf … @NatureMedicine —less immunologic & inflammatory response —prolonged viral shedding —most (59%) w/ abnormal lung CT scans pic.twitter.com/qXbnSS9UGw
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Jun 2020

      Note that the "asymptomatic" individuals aren't escaping lung damage. (There may be other damage that we don't yet notice or know to look for). Only a minority had no damage to their lungs. These are the least severe cases, often undetected and not included in our "case counts."pic.twitter.com/7pL6SGq4n1

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Jun 2020

      Not a pleasant thought but of all the possible pandemics, this one is far from the worst possibility. Asymptomatic spread is a challenge and the misery and the loss is tragic, but much much worse was possible. I hope we remember when it's over so we can prepare for the next one.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Jun 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      Also, this is not the first study to find lung abnormalities in "asymptomatic" cases. Of course it is less worse to have a mild/non case but it's not at all clear what this will mean in the long run. What a terrible global experiment we're running here!https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1253437512401301505 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      Are we going to have to change our definition of "asymptomatic" COVID to distinguish between self-reported "feels fine" and actually no symptoms? About half of the "asymptomatic" cases on the Princess Diamond show ground-glass abnormalities in lung scans. https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/ryct.2020200110 … pic.twitter.com/uYVnCUZ4A6
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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Jun 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      For months, we had indications that the young/healthy/asymptomatic aren't fine. We're simultaneously not being informed of the real risks while being sensationally scared of marginal/none risk situations (toilets! joggers!). Just putting older tweets here.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1253438746965553153 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      Also, as a scuba diver myself, this is both fascinating and terrifying. An ER doc in Germany, who is a diver himself and in the middle of a hot spot, finds that young/healthy COVID recovered divers.. cannot be cleared to dive. They feel healthy but aren't. https://www.wetnotes.eu/tauchen-nach-covid-19-erkrankung/ … pic.twitter.com/e6SZKZPXP0
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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Jun 2020

      What you can do as individuals: Work to make masks required locally. Mask up, especially indoors. Avoid Japan's 3Cs: confined/unventilated spaces, packed crowds, talking especially at close range. In the US, fourth C: cross your fingers and remember all this when you vote. *sigh*

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    7. Yeyo‏ @RealYeyoZa 18 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Ground glass opacities is commonly detected by CT scans in any viral pneumonia and usually go away. Equalizing it with permanent lung damage is an exaggeration. Happen even in asymptomatic non-covid pneumonia cases. https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/ningendockitn/3/1/3_20/_pdf/-char/en …

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Jun 2020
      Replying to @RealYeyoZa

      Yes but where is the word permanent? The point is that clinically asymptomatic is not the same as nothing happened, and we don't yet know what that something will mean in the long run. As I wrote: "it's not at all clear what this will mean in the long run."

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        2. Yeyo‏ @RealYeyoZa 18 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          We already knew covid causes viral pneumonia. Viral pneumonia regularly shows up as ground glass opacity in CT scans, then it usually disappears. This is not news. It's confirmation of what we already knew.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Jun 2020
          Replying to @RealYeyoZa

          I disagree that even clinically asymptomatic people have lung abnormalities is "not news" to many and we don't truly know if these will fully resolve (too soon to know) with no impact, or what else might be lurking. Most seem to think clinically asymptomatic=did not get sick.

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