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    zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Jun 2020

    This has gone viral but can someone point me to what on earth is this growing evidence? And why is yet another "simulation" study being reported like this (remember the joggers and their viruses?) This stuff leads panicked authorities to overreact! https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/16/health/coronavirus-toilets-flushing.html … https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1272942042717569024 …pic.twitter.com/6LiOCZxLg5

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      2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Jun 2020

        Panicky authorities around the world are closing down parks because they don't want to keep toilets open. Yes, please close the lid and wash your hands. But simulation on a computer is not "growing" evidence of actual transmission—if anything, lack of actual cases is striking!

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      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Jun 2020

        I remember an earlier NYT article about aerosols which was super panicky and got people worried. In that case, the author neglected to mention the aerosols in the study were mechanically generated in a lab by the researchers to.. study aerosols. Let's panic after actual evidence?

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      4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Jun 2020

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Dr. Saskia Popescu

        And here's a good thread on the misplaced toilet panic.https://twitter.com/SaskiaPopescu/status/1273014716583997440 …

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        Dr. Saskia PopescuVerified account @SaskiaPopescu
        Third - many of these studies use PCR, which is highly sensitive but that doesn’t mean the sample is getting an actual virus that can cause infections vs viral fragments. Fourth- no cases have been found as a result of this transmission route, which is a good indicator (3/x)
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      5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Jun 2020

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Dr. Tara C. Smith

        More on the misplaced toilet panic. Fewer sensationalized articles based on computer simulations and little else, more consultations with an range of actual experts before publishing would be great.https://twitter.com/aetiology/status/1273024556148625409 …

        zeynep tufekci added,

        Dr. Tara C. SmithVerified account @aetiology
        Who knew I'd spend 2020 reading about toilet plumes? But this thread is exactly right. Yes, shut the lid if you can (there are other pathogens besides CoV!), but if you're in public, prudent to be quick just in case but no need to freak out. Unlikely to be a key route of spread. https://twitter.com/SaskiaPopescu/status/1273013677784854528 …
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      6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Jun 2020

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Matthew Noah Smith

        Yep! That's one big problem with these sensationalized pieces about the mutantninjasupervirus. Helplessness can cause people to give up. The other is that they cause authorities to overreact.https://twitter.com/elsenorrocket/status/1273027585463771136 …

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        Matthew Noah Smith @MattNoahSmith
        Replying to @zeynep
        Let’s talk a bit about the problem of catastrophizing. If you make people feel hopeless, they will cease feeling like it’s worth it to take any measures to contain the pandemic. If every fleeting interaction, every human activity, every surface threatens every person w/ infection
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      2. M. Back Home‏ @Nadif 16 Jun 2020
        Replying to @zeynep

        Try googling "covid in feces"; I don't have a list of papers readily at hand, but it's been reported since February (in China) and later a number of studies all around the world showed active, viable virus in feces & sewers.

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      2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Jun 2020
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        It's just going to get an overreaction. I mean, sure, lids would be great but there is no actual new evidence here.

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      1. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy 16 Jun 2020
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        There's established research on the travel of infectious material via toilet flush plumes. Whether this report used that research, I have no idea, but it is there to be used.

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