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    1. Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D‏ @RVAwonk 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @ggreenwald

      Also look at the CDC’s guidance from that time period. That’s where the info came from.

      8 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
    2. Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D‏ @RVAwonk 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @RVAwonk @ggreenwald

      Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D Retweeted Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D

      And the surgeon general. https://twitter.com/rvawonk/status/1241493278173868038?s=21 …https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1241493278173868038 …

      Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D added,

      Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D @RVAwonk
      And here's the Surgeon General reminding Americans about the current guidance around medical masks for the general population. https://twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/1233725785283932160?s=20 …
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    3. Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D‏ @RVAwonk 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @RVAwonk @ggreenwald

      Happy to discuss the evolving nature of science, poor communication from government & medical orgs, & the lack of consensus surrounding mask usage. But I’m not sure what you’re getting at by pointing to a thread (based on CDC guidelines) about the need for clear communication.

      4 replies 2 retweets 11 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @RVAwonk @ggreenwald

      That's why I didn't single you out but you realize every single thing you claimed in that viral thread (and I tried to tell you otherwise) was wrong? The alleged increased risk, false sense of security, lack of benefit? Every single claim you made except shortage was 100% wrong.

      2 replies 3 retweets 36 likes
    5. Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D‏ @RVAwonk 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @ggreenwald

      Just to be clear: Those claims claim from the CDC. And yes, most turned out to be wrong. Also, at the time, there was little (if any) distinction between protecting self vs others. But do we have research from US showing that mask usage doesn’t confer a false sense of security?

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @RVAwonk @ggreenwald

      Yes, they came from the CDC and they were all wrong. That's my point, and I kept trying to talk with people like you to point to the evidence that they were wrong. And for lack of false sense of security? Yes, we have decades of evidence from many other safety devices.

      2 replies 1 retweet 23 likes
    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @RVAwonk @ggreenwald

      As I very publicly argued back then, false sense of security is trotted out against every safety device/intervention (seat belts, helmets, safe sex) and has been researched to death. You can find individual examples, but it never overwhelms the safety benefit. But that's not all.

      3 replies 2 retweets 30 likes
    8. Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D‏ @RVAwonk 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @ggreenwald

      Those behaviors (helmets, seat belts, etc) are primarily aimed at personal protection, not protecting others, though. The research may very well translate, but I don’t know if we can say that yet?

      1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @RVAwonk @ggreenwald

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      We already have experimental confirmation. I'm not saying we shouldn't keep an eye out, but what are they going to do with this false sense of security that will override the benefits? It's a very similar argument to ones made against seat belts.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1269364962213990401 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      I've been arguing for months that the most likely outcome of masks would be INCREASED adherence to distancing—because that's what social science suggests. That baseless "false sense of security" claim had no evidence for it. Now, experimental confirmation. https://twitter.com/Babak_Javid_Lab/status/1269312406120996864 …
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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @RVAwonk @ggreenwald

      Plus, wear masks if you are sick, um, of course that won't work. Stigma and solidarity are very well-understood concepts of social science. Masks only sick=stigma. We have a lot of research from TB. Everyone wears them=solidarity and signaling of the emergency.

      1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @RVAwonk @ggreenwald

      It's terrible because it's so consequential. I think our evidence for benefits of masks has greatly increased since March but, even back then, lack of evidence for harms should have meant we should have gone ahead. Fewer cases=less PPE needed so helps shortage, too. Alas.

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        1. mary beth‏ @MaryBethla 15 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @RVAwonk @ggreenwald

          Thank you for your work on this. It confirmed what I felt and I was able to convince other people on the strength of it. Really, thank you

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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @RVAwonk @ggreenwald

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Julia Marcus, PhD, MPH

          Alsohttps://twitter.com/julialmarcus/status/1272631699986399233 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Julia Marcus, PhD, MPHVerified account @JuliaLMarcus
          It's pretty clear that masks don't *decrease* social distancing, despite concerns about a "false sense of security" leading to reckless behavior. Risk compensation arguments are generally baseless and interfere with good public health. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/no-one-telling-americans-how-reopen-their-lives/612172/ … https://twitter.com/DiseaseEcology/status/1272587956172148737 …
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