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    1. Glenn Greenwald‏Verified account @ggreenwald 15 Jun 2020

      Since there's an ongoing debate about the relationship between coronavirus transmission and large outdoor gatherings, here's what Dr. Fauci -- who has been accepted by a consensus as a vital honest infectious disease expert -- said about it when asked last week:pic.twitter.com/JCG8wmgYkg

      8 replies 37 retweets 168 likes
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    2. Glenn Greenwald‏Verified account @ggreenwald 15 Jun 2020

      I think the last 3 weeks of protests have been one of the most important and beneficial uprisings in the US in decades. People have the absolute right to participate in them despite the COVID-19 risks. But those risks shouldn't be minimized, and others should have the same right.

      25 replies 51 retweets 329 likes
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    3. Glenn Greenwald‏Verified account @ggreenwald 15 Jun 2020

      Glenn Greenwald Retweeted Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D

      Look at this viral thread - not from January but from late March - in which someone self-identifying as a scientist warned that not only do not masks not help, but "that they could be *increasing* their risk" by wearing them. Claims like this were fatal:https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1241454649758056450 …

      Glenn Greenwald added,

      Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D @RVAwonk
      I honestly think we need a nationwide public education campaign to help people understand why they should stop buying masks to wear to run errands. You’re not helping anyone, including yourself, by doing that, & you’re contributing to a critical shortage among healthcare workers.
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    4. Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D‏ @RVAwonk 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @ggreenwald

      Also look at the CDC’s guidance from that time period. That’s where the info came from.

      8 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
    5. Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D‏ @RVAwonk 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @RVAwonk @ggreenwald

      Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D Retweeted Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D

      And the surgeon general. https://twitter.com/rvawonk/status/1241493278173868038?s=21 …https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1241493278173868038 …

      Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D added,

      Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D @RVAwonk
      And here's the Surgeon General reminding Americans about the current guidance around medical masks for the general population. https://twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/1233725785283932160?s=20 …
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      3 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
    6. Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D‏ @RVAwonk 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @RVAwonk @ggreenwald

      Happy to discuss the evolving nature of science, poor communication from government & medical orgs, & the lack of consensus surrounding mask usage. But I’m not sure what you’re getting at by pointing to a thread (based on CDC guidelines) about the need for clear communication.

      4 replies 2 retweets 11 likes
    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @RVAwonk @ggreenwald

      That's why I didn't single you out but you realize every single thing you claimed in that viral thread (and I tried to tell you otherwise) was wrong? The alleged increased risk, false sense of security, lack of benefit? Every single claim you made except shortage was 100% wrong.

      2 replies 3 retweets 36 likes
    8. Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D‏ @RVAwonk 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @ggreenwald

      Just to be clear: Those claims claim from the CDC. And yes, most turned out to be wrong. Also, at the time, there was little (if any) distinction between protecting self vs others. But do we have research from US showing that mask usage doesn’t confer a false sense of security?

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @RVAwonk @ggreenwald

      Yes, they came from the CDC and they were all wrong. That's my point, and I kept trying to talk with people like you to point to the evidence that they were wrong. And for lack of false sense of security? Yes, we have decades of evidence from many other safety devices.

      2 replies 1 retweet 23 likes
    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @RVAwonk @ggreenwald

      As I very publicly argued back then, false sense of security is trotted out against every safety device/intervention (seat belts, helmets, safe sex) and has been researched to death. You can find individual examples, but it never overwhelms the safety benefit. But that's not all.

      3 replies 2 retweets 30 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @RVAwonk @ggreenwald

      Also, if it were true, it would just as much apply to hand-washing or even distancing. (But good news, it's not true). Plus, there is all the experience of Asia. Plus, social science suggested that masks would *increase* overall caution. But even that's not all.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @RVAwonk @ggreenwald

          We have since had actual research from this pandemic that shows, unsurprisingly, that the actual result is, as expected, masks increase distancing behaviors (how could they not?). False sense of security for safety devices, to put it politely, is pop psychology.

          1 reply 5 retweets 21 likes
        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @RVAwonk @ggreenwald

          There was also no of evidence or even a logical claim for "harms" of mask wearing compared to no masks. Most relevant studies were about health care workers and they compared some masks to other masks. Not ever to no masks. Plus not for egress (PPE is ingress).

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