I don't think there is no way to measure this, we just haven't figured it out yet! But we don't sit on our hands waiting to act for perfect data, real-time decisions have to be made and the perfect can be the enemy of the good.
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Replying to @gregggonsalves @matthewstoller and
Agree we could for some activities & we can also do more if we had data (sigh, US). On the other hand, for protests— which I personally broke quarantine to participate in (masked and distant)—it's not that calculable because will they work? Don't know. But we must, morally, try.
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Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and
Okay. So I see having certain politics grants one sufficient immunity to disease and the law to make owen’s own judgement.
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Replying to @michaelbd @zeynep and
Can you just stop. No one is saying this. If you want to talk about balancing competing health risks in this country, how to stage reopening with harm reduction as a primary concern we can do that.
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Replying to @gregggonsalves @zeynep and
The George Floyd protests, worthy as they may be, break the same regs that have been used to break up outdoor funerals, that prohibit socialization of extended families, that bar in-person therapies for children. You only started talking trade offs when you wanted something
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Replying to @michaelbd @gregggonsalves and
This isn't fair. I've been talking trade-offs since end of March (when data started emerging) and people on this thread have been talking about trade-offs and harm reduction. Harm reduction is a very well-established public health framework. Authorities bungling things... Common.
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Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and
Then maybe the focus should be on advising the authorities to update based on lates/best thought on outdoor transmission rather than spending time getting pissed at conservatives for noticing public health officials encouraging breaking the rules they enforced on others.
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Replying to @michaelbd @zeynep and
The point is we've been screaming this from the rooftops all along and people haven't been listening. We could have done this all better. We outlined a better path months ago. No one listened. Yet, we're the problem.
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Replying to @gregggonsalves @zeynep and
Dr Levine in Pennsylvania has been forthright. The rules still apply to everyone’s wedding, or funeral, but not to the protests.
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Replying to @michaelbd @zeynep and
But I do not know this Dr. Levine of whom you speak. I can say that many of us, like
@JuliaLMarcus,@EpiEllie and others have been advocating a harm reduction approach for weeks, well in advance of these protests. We've also been crying out for more testing, tracing, isolating.5 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
Michael, again: harm reduction really is a solid framework in public health; people on this thread tried hard. But authorities do this a lot, partly because they are authorities or they get on morality/shaming horses (safe sex vs abstinence, drug criminalization vs treatment.)
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