Yes I’m aware. Here’s one framework on how to consider trade offs. If someone has answered them please point me to the estimates. Honestly not trying to provoke here.https://twitter.com/jonst0kes/status/1268983068091731976?s=20 …
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Replying to @matthewstoller @zeynep and
What I'd say to you and
@jonst0kes is, I'd love precise estimates right now, but wishing doesn't make it so. We make decisions with partial information all the time, in fact, decision science is based on that entire notion.3 replies 0 retweets 10 likes -
Replying to @gregggonsalves @matthewstoller and
I agree with Gregg. There really is no way to estimate this. I think what we can have is to have a list of please don't activities (indoor, unmasked, talk/sing: the 3Cs of Japan) and if you must, please do (outdoor funerals/church/protests: mask, distance, rotate positions etc).
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Replying to @zeynep @matthewstoller and
I don't think there is no way to measure this, we just haven't figured it out yet! But we don't sit on our hands waiting to act for perfect data, real-time decisions have to be made and the perfect can be the enemy of the good.
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Replying to @gregggonsalves @matthewstoller and
Agree we could for some activities & we can also do more if we had data (sigh, US). On the other hand, for protests— which I personally broke quarantine to participate in (masked and distant)—it's not that calculable because will they work? Don't know. But we must, morally, try.
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Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and
Okay. So I see having certain politics grants one sufficient immunity to disease and the law to make owen’s own judgement.
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Replying to @michaelbd @zeynep and
Can you just stop. No one is saying this. If you want to talk about balancing competing health risks in this country, how to stage reopening with harm reduction as a primary concern we can do that.
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Replying to @gregggonsalves @zeynep and
The George Floyd protests, worthy as they may be, break the same regs that have been used to break up outdoor funerals, that prohibit socialization of extended families, that bar in-person therapies for children. You only started talking trade offs when you wanted something
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Replying to @michaelbd @gregggonsalves and
This isn't fair. I've been talking trade-offs since end of March (when data started emerging) and people on this thread have been talking about trade-offs and harm reduction. Harm reduction is a very well-established public health framework. Authorities bungling things... Common.
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Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and
Then maybe the focus should be on advising the authorities to update based on lates/best thought on outdoor transmission rather than spending time getting pissed at conservatives for noticing public health officials encouraging breaking the rules they enforced on others.
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I agree that we should get authorities to climb down based on evidence that's been emerging. They first delayed action, then they acted (fine, they should have), but then when evidence emerged, they did not adjust. Welcome to the world of public health. Seriously, common pattern.
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