Personally I don’t see a lot of coherence here.
-
-
Replying to @matthewstoller @zeynep and
We have two competing health crises: COVID and police violence. We are trying to manage trade-offs. Some are saying, they can't be managed and protests are inadvisable, others are saying, we can address both, while minimizing harms. That's the debate here.
2 replies 2 retweets 10 likes -
Replying to @gregggonsalves @zeynep and
Matt Stoller Retweeted jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)
Yes I’m aware. Here’s one framework on how to consider trade offs. If someone has answered them please point me to the estimates. Honestly not trying to provoke here.https://twitter.com/jonst0kes/status/1268983068091731976?s=20 …
Matt Stoller added,
2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes -
Replying to @matthewstoller @zeynep and
What I'd say to you and
@jonst0kes is, I'd love precise estimates right now, but wishing doesn't make it so. We make decisions with partial information all the time, in fact, decision science is based on that entire notion.3 replies 0 retweets 10 likes -
Replying to @gregggonsalves @matthewstoller and
I agree with Gregg. There really is no way to estimate this. I think what we can have is to have a list of please don't activities (indoor, unmasked, talk/sing: the 3Cs of Japan) and if you must, please do (outdoor funerals/church/protests: mask, distance, rotate positions etc).
1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes -
Replying to @zeynep @matthewstoller and
I don't think there is no way to measure this, we just haven't figured it out yet! But we don't sit on our hands waiting to act for perfect data, real-time decisions have to be made and the perfect can be the enemy of the good.
3 replies 0 retweets 7 likes -
Replying to @gregggonsalves @matthewstoller and
Agree we could for some activities & we can also do more if we had data (sigh, US). On the other hand, for protests— which I personally broke quarantine to participate in (masked and distant)—it's not that calculable because will they work? Don't know. But we must, morally, try.
4 replies 0 retweets 5 likes -
Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and
Okay. So I see having certain politics grants one sufficient immunity to disease and the law to make owen’s own judgement.
3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes -
Replying to @michaelbd @zeynep and
Can you just stop. No one is saying this. If you want to talk about balancing competing health risks in this country, how to stage reopening with harm reduction as a primary concern we can do that.
1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes -
Replying to @gregggonsalves @zeynep and
The George Floyd protests, worthy as they may be, break the same regs that have been used to break up outdoor funerals, that prohibit socialization of extended families, that bar in-person therapies for children. You only started talking trade offs when you wanted something
3 replies 4 retweets 11 likes
This isn't fair. I've been talking trade-offs since end of March (when data started emerging) and people on this thread have been talking about trade-offs and harm reduction. Harm reduction is a very well-established public health framework. Authorities bungling things... Common.
-
-
Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and
Then maybe the focus should be on advising the authorities to update based on lates/best thought on outdoor transmission rather than spending time getting pissed at conservatives for noticing public health officials encouraging breaking the rules they enforced on others.
2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes -
Replying to @michaelbd @zeynep and
The point is we've been screaming this from the rooftops all along and people haven't been listening. We could have done this all better. We outlined a better path months ago. No one listened. Yet, we're the problem.
1 reply 2 retweets 14 likes - Show replies
New conversation -
Loading seems to be taking a while.
Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information.