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    1. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @matthewstoller @zeynep and

      We have two competing health crises: COVID and police violence. We are trying to manage trade-offs. Some are saying, they can't be managed and protests are inadvisable, others are saying, we can address both, while minimizing harms. That's the debate here.

      2 replies 2 retweets 10 likes
    2. Matt Stoller‏Verified account @matthewstoller 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @zeynep and

      Matt Stoller Retweeted jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)

      Yes I’m aware. Here’s one framework on how to consider trade offs. If someone has answered them please point me to the estimates. Honestly not trying to provoke here.https://twitter.com/jonst0kes/status/1268983068091731976?s=20 …

      Matt Stoller added,

      jonstokes(\.com|\.eth) @jonst0kes
      And I have said one thing repeatedly: give me some actual econ fatality estimates from the lockdowns to compare to the projected COVID so we can judge relative risk. https://twitter.com/jonst0kes/status/1259896662648139779 …
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    3. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @matthewstoller @zeynep and

      What I'd say to you and @jonst0kes is, I'd love precise estimates right now, but wishing doesn't make it so. We make decisions with partial information all the time, in fact, decision science is based on that entire notion.

      3 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @matthewstoller and

      I agree with Gregg. There really is no way to estimate this. I think what we can have is to have a list of please don't activities (indoor, unmasked, talk/sing: the 3Cs of Japan) and if you must, please do (outdoor funerals/church/protests: mask, distance, rotate positions etc).

      1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
    5. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @matthewstoller and

      I don't think there is no way to measure this, we just haven't figured it out yet! But we don't sit on our hands waiting to act for perfect data, real-time decisions have to be made and the perfect can be the enemy of the good.

      3 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @matthewstoller and

      Agree we could for some activities & we can also do more if we had data (sigh, US). On the other hand, for protests— which I personally broke quarantine to participate in (masked and distant)—it's not that calculable because will they work? Don't know. But we must, morally, try.

      4 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    7. James Surowiecki‏Verified account @JamesSurowiecki 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      Yeah, because of the incalculability of effectiveness of the protests, and of how much they would help improve health outcomes even if they are effective, I don’t think the public-health justification for the protests is a strong one. But I also don’t think it’s necessary.

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    8. James Surowiecki‏Verified account @JamesSurowiecki 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @JamesSurowiecki @zeynep and

      I feel like saying these protests have some risk, but protesting is important, is enough. I just think that would also apply to things like funerals or religious services.

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    9. Michael Brendan Dougherty‏Verified account @michaelbd 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @JamesSurowiecki @zeynep and

      Weddings. Therapies. Ireland is still restricting cancer screenings, even as 5,000+ gather tightly outdoors.

      3 replies 3 retweets 1 like
    10. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @michaelbd @JamesSurowiecki and

      And now I am responsible for Irish public health policy too?

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @michaelbd and

      Michael, you're arguing with people who would do more than others to fix the overly-restrictive, knee-jerk stuff. Authorities everywhere do this a lot: first they wait too long, then they over-react, and then they don't know how to walk back. Public health folks aren't like that.

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