There would be no “opportunism” if there were coherent answers.
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There'd still be opportunism, but yes, coherent answers help. Everyone can fight "own" side opportunism better than others, but I agree public health folks should reflect on where the field fell short (even as a lot of it was unfair: media sensationalism that wasn't their doing).
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Personally I don’t see a lot of coherence here.
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We have two competing health crises: COVID and police violence. We are trying to manage trade-offs. Some are saying, they can't be managed and protests are inadvisable, others are saying, we can address both, while minimizing harms. That's the debate here.
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Matt Stoller Retweeted jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)
Yes I’m aware. Here’s one framework on how to consider trade offs. If someone has answered them please point me to the estimates. Honestly not trying to provoke here.https://twitter.com/jonst0kes/status/1268983068091731976?s=20 …
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Replying to @matthewstoller @zeynep and
What I'd say to you and
@jonst0kes is, I'd love precise estimates right now, but wishing doesn't make it so. We make decisions with partial information all the time, in fact, decision science is based on that entire notion.3 replies 0 retweets 10 likes -
Replying to @gregggonsalves @matthewstoller and
I agree with Gregg. There really is no way to estimate this. I think what we can have is to have a list of please don't activities (indoor, unmasked, talk/sing: the 3Cs of Japan) and if you must, please do (outdoor funerals/church/protests: mask, distance, rotate positions etc).
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Replying to @zeynep @matthewstoller and
I don't think there is no way to measure this, we just haven't figured it out yet! But we don't sit on our hands waiting to act for perfect data, real-time decisions have to be made and the perfect can be the enemy of the good.
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Replying to @gregggonsalves @matthewstoller and
Agree we could for some activities & we can also do more if we had data (sigh, US). On the other hand, for protests— which I personally broke quarantine to participate in (masked and distant)—it's not that calculable because will they work? Don't know. But we must, morally, try.
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Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and
Okay. So I see having certain politics grants one sufficient immunity to disease and the law to make owen’s own judgement.
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I broke personal quarantine, not the law, but I agree with you the law is unclear. (Outdoor gatherings are prohibited in confined outdoor space, which this was not). I agree that funerals and (especially) outdoor church services (also AA etc) should be allowed with guidance.
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Replying to @michaelbd @gregggonsalves and
It was a protest in Chapel Hill, which, by the way, exempts "worship services, spiritual gatherings, weddings, and funerals" from the gathering restrictions completely. Liberal place but explicitly stepped over state guidelines to allow churches *but* also added masks indoors.
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