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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Michael Brendan Dougherty‏Verified account @michaelbd 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves @JamesSurowiecki

      I don’t see it honestly. I was a Covid hawk back when some public health authorities were saying masks were racist. Greg is the one trying to score points here.

      4 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @michaelbd @gregggonsalves @JamesSurowiecki

      You personally may have been a "hawk", though just like you are now having this conversation perhaps with the very public health people who did a lot to push for harm reduction frameworks, they are also seeing the opportunism which does exist and may not mean you.

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    3. Michael Brendan Dougherty‏Verified account @michaelbd 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves @JamesSurowiecki

      There would be no “opportunism” if there were coherent answers.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @michaelbd @gregggonsalves @JamesSurowiecki

      There'd still be opportunism, but yes, coherent answers help. Everyone can fight "own" side opportunism better than others, but I agree public health folks should reflect on where the field fell short (even as a lot of it was unfair: media sensationalism that wasn't their doing).

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    5. Matt Stoller‏Verified account @matthewstoller 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @michaelbd and

      Personally I don’t see a lot of coherence here.

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    6. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @matthewstoller @zeynep and

      We have two competing health crises: COVID and police violence. We are trying to manage trade-offs. Some are saying, they can't be managed and protests are inadvisable, others are saying, we can address both, while minimizing harms. That's the debate here.

      2 replies 2 retweets 10 likes
    7. Matt Stoller‏Verified account @matthewstoller 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @zeynep and

      Matt Stoller Retweeted jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)

      Yes I’m aware. Here’s one framework on how to consider trade offs. If someone has answered them please point me to the estimates. Honestly not trying to provoke here.https://twitter.com/jonst0kes/status/1268983068091731976?s=20 …

      Matt Stoller added,

      jonstokes(\.com|\.eth) @jonst0kes
      And I have said one thing repeatedly: give me some actual econ fatality estimates from the lockdowns to compare to the projected COVID so we can judge relative risk. https://twitter.com/jonst0kes/status/1259896662648139779 …
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    8. Pradheep J. Shanker‏ @Neoavatara 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @matthewstoller @gregggonsalves and

      The risk of dying from COVID this year, versus police abuse, is something on the order of 300:1.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. Matt Stoller‏Verified account @matthewstoller 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @Neoavatara @gregggonsalves and

      There’s a reasonable claim protests against racist violence outweigh the costs of potentially spreading a disease that disproportionately hits black people. I just want some estimates.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    10. Scott Alexander Defense Force‏ @Roflsaurus16 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @matthewstoller @Neoavatara and

      For that claim to be strong, presumably we would need to calculate the "marginal benefit" added by each additional protester to the chances of generating meaningful reforms right? Seems like there are decreasing returns on that. But, increasing harms for risk of virus spread?

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @Roflsaurus16 @matthewstoller and

      I'm gonna disagree you are going to do some sort of utility function calculation here. Plus, the k-dispersion that has since emerged as strong evidence really throws a wrench in all that.

      8:20 AM - 6 Jun 2020
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        1. Scott Alexander Defense Force‏ @Roflsaurus16 6 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @matthewstoller and

          Hm, I see. What do you think about the "marginal benefit" of each additional person who joins a protest? It seems to me that going from 100 to 200 protesters is likely a higher return than going from 1100 to 1200?

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