I don’t see it honestly. I was a Covid hawk back when some public health authorities were saying masks were racist. Greg is the one trying to score points here.
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You personally may have been a "hawk", though just like you are now having this conversation perhaps with the very public health people who did a lot to push for harm reduction frameworks, they are also seeing the opportunism which does exist and may not mean you.
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There would be no “opportunism” if there were coherent answers.
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There'd still be opportunism, but yes, coherent answers help. Everyone can fight "own" side opportunism better than others, but I agree public health folks should reflect on where the field fell short (even as a lot of it was unfair: media sensationalism that wasn't their doing).
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Personally I don’t see a lot of coherence here.
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We have two competing health crises: COVID and police violence. We are trying to manage trade-offs. Some are saying, they can't be managed and protests are inadvisable, others are saying, we can address both, while minimizing harms. That's the debate here.
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Matt Stoller Retweeted jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)
Yes I’m aware. Here’s one framework on how to consider trade offs. If someone has answered them please point me to the estimates. Honestly not trying to provoke here.https://twitter.com/jonst0kes/status/1268983068091731976?s=20 …
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The risk of dying from COVID this year, versus police abuse, is something on the order of 300:1.
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There’s a reasonable claim protests against racist violence outweigh the costs of potentially spreading a disease that disproportionately hits black people. I just want some estimates.
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For that claim to be strong, presumably we would need to calculate the "marginal benefit" added by each additional protester to the chances of generating meaningful reforms right? Seems like there are decreasing returns on that. But, increasing harms for risk of virus spread?
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I'm gonna disagree you are going to do some sort of utility function calculation here. Plus, the k-dispersion that has since emerged as strong evidence really throws a wrench in all that.
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Hm, I see. What do you think about the "marginal benefit" of each additional person who joins a protest? It seems to me that going from 100 to 200 protesters is likely a higher return than going from 1100 to 1200?
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