But you've also got to realize for all your good-faith questions, there is some bit of political opportunism going on here from the right.
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For sure. And not fair to have individuals (some of whom did the best work) to answer for the field (which faced the unfair barriers others have noted). But I think figuring out shortcomings and how to fight unfair barriers is the best way to fight opportunism, when it comes.
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I don’t see it honestly. I was a Covid hawk back when some public health authorities were saying masks were racist. Greg is the one trying to score points here.
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You personally may have been a "hawk", though just like you are now having this conversation perhaps with the very public health people who did a lot to push for harm reduction frameworks, they are also seeing the opportunism which does exist and may not mean you.
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There would be no “opportunism” if there were coherent answers.
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There'd still be opportunism, but yes, coherent answers help. Everyone can fight "own" side opportunism better than others, but I agree public health folks should reflect on where the field fell short (even as a lot of it was unfair: media sensationalism that wasn't their doing).
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Personally I don’t see a lot of coherence here.
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We have two competing health crises: COVID and police violence. We are trying to manage trade-offs. Some are saying, they can't be managed and protests are inadvisable, others are saying, we can address both, while minimizing harms. That's the debate here.
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Matt Stoller Retweeted jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)
Yes I’m aware. Here’s one framework on how to consider trade offs. If someone has answered them please point me to the estimates. Honestly not trying to provoke here.https://twitter.com/jonst0kes/status/1268983068091731976?s=20 …
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What I'd say to you and
@jonst0kes is, I'd love precise estimates right now, but wishing doesn't make it so. We make decisions with partial information all the time, in fact, decision science is based on that entire notion.3 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
I agree with Gregg. There really is no way to estimate this. I think what we can have is to have a list of please don't activities (indoor, unmasked, talk/sing: the 3Cs of Japan) and if you must, please do (outdoor funerals/church/protests: mask, distance, rotate positions etc).
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I don't think there is no way to measure this, we just haven't figured it out yet! But we don't sit on our hands waiting to act for perfect data, real-time decisions have to be made and the perfect can be the enemy of the good.
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But then how will Laura ingraham and Hannity have anyone to vilify and blame in order to stir up hatred and resentment?
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