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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @JamesSurowiecki @michaelbd

      I think there are few legitimate complaints here. There should have been greater explicit discussion that it was always a trade-off and that "essential" activity is not a universal definition. Plus, should have been more acknowledgement of the emerging evidence on outdoors/risk.

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      Public health folks probably should have spoken out more when people in parks/beaches were shamed (not by public health people always! But still) even into May and June. I personally would never risk a pool party but went to a protest myself. But both do risk transmission chains.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      Plus, personally, I think it's unconscionable that we did not let people visit their dying relatives with whatever PPE they could personally muster, if or a few minutes, or with the promise of quarantine afterwards. We did that to break transmission chains, I get it but...

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      I think there is something to the current complaints, and there was an issue not always with what many public health people were saying, but perhaps what they weren't saying (or being heard) as loudly, that harm-reduction was a viable message, that it was always about trade-offs.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      Then I agree that the argument that racial justice is a public health emergency, that outdoors is low-risk, followed by extensive discussion of harm-reduction (masks/drums) and call to limit/ban tear-gas, kettling, indoor detention etc. is valid. But that holds for other things.

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    6. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @JamesSurowiecki @michaelbd

      Yes, and many, many of us, including @JuliaLMarcus @EpiEllie have been talking about how to do harm reduction across the board, not just for protests!

      2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @JamesSurowiecki and

      I know! I linked to it, and added mine to my piece on protesting during a pandemic. I loved the other pieces, too. But I think it's fair to say that there wasn't as loud an attempt to provide harm-reduction guidance on broader range of activities. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/06/i-cant-breathe-using-tear-gas-during-pandemic/612673/ …pic.twitter.com/FoxCBXFR0S

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      It's not that the harm-reduction framework was absent, but it wasn't as loud as it should have been; we didn't stand up as much as we could against the beach/park other scolding; did not produce enough detailed guidelines on for a broader range of activities.

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    9. Dr Ellie Murray, ScD‏Verified account @EpiEllie 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      “as loud as it should have been” is the problem but it stems from the fact that public health practitioners have generally not been part of the national conversation before the pandemic. We are slowly being listened to but now people complain they didn’t hear what we said before.

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @EpiEllie @gregggonsalves and

      I totally agree! But that's just something to take into account and try harder. Not fair, but here we are. I work on misinformation and wrote my first big Facebook isn't great for electoral politics piece in.. 2012. With Obama as example. Huge huge push-back. 2016, suddenly okay.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @EpiEllie and

      Public health did some, but I think could and should have tried harder to stem the tide of scolding that was on media and social media, and try to replace it with harm-reduction. Some tried (and love your work on it!). But the field as a whole didn't breakthrough on that part.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @EpiEllie and

          I know some people tried. But I think there was more to do. An open letter asking the scolding/shaming to stop with hundreds of signatures? Showing up en mass in replies of viral scolding tweets, or quoting them and stop? It's not a fair burden perhaps, but that's the reality.

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