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    1. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @michaelbd

      Michael. First of all, it's heartwarming that you at the National Review have become such strong proponents for public health and the health of all Americans. I am sure we can count on you as we boost public health funding in the wake of this pandemic and expand the ACA. 1/

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    2. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @michaelbd

      In January-May, we had a different epidemiological setting--the pandemic was at its height. Closures then and closures now are not equivalent. 2/

      6 replies 1 retweet 24 likes
    3. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @michaelbd

      AND in fact, ALL states have re-opened weeks before these protests emerged with the idea that risk can be managed in many settings. 3/

      5 replies 0 retweets 27 likes
    4. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @michaelbd

      And in fact, outdoor settings, masked are far, far less risky than re-opening places that operate daily in close quarters, with high density of people. That is why re-opening is being triaged. 4/

      2 replies 2 retweets 35 likes
    5. James Surowiecki‏Verified account @JamesSurowiecki 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @michaelbd

      I think the frustration stems from a sense that the triaging, both legal and (as it were) rhetorical, has been shaped by political bias. The George Floyd memorial service on Thursday was indoors, and some high-profile attendees were not wearing masks.

      2 replies 1 retweet 9 likes
    6. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @JamesSurowiecki @michaelbd

      And assumes there is also a position of neutrality, free from political bias. Yes, the memorial indoors, with some in attendance not wearing masks wasn't great. But we've also had weeks of the President modeling bad behavior and policies and how we're all arguing about not-that.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @JamesSurowiecki @michaelbd

      I think there are few legitimate complaints here. There should have been greater explicit discussion that it was always a trade-off and that "essential" activity is not a universal definition. Plus, should have been more acknowledgement of the emerging evidence on outdoors/risk.

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      Public health folks probably should have spoken out more when people in parks/beaches were shamed (not by public health people always! But still) even into May and June. I personally would never risk a pool party but went to a protest myself. But both do risk transmission chains.

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      Plus, personally, I think it's unconscionable that we did not let people visit their dying relatives with whatever PPE they could personally muster, if or a few minutes, or with the promise of quarantine afterwards. We did that to break transmission chains, I get it but...

      3 replies 7 retweets 27 likes
    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      I think there is something to the current complaints, and there was an issue not always with what many public health people were saying, but perhaps what they weren't saying (or being heard) as loudly, that harm-reduction was a viable message, that it was always about trade-offs.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      Then I agree that the argument that racial justice is a public health emergency, that outdoors is low-risk, followed by extensive discussion of harm-reduction (masks/drums) and call to limit/ban tear-gas, kettling, indoor detention etc. is valid. But that holds for other things.

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        2. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 6 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @JamesSurowiecki @michaelbd

          Yes, and many, many of us, including @JuliaLMarcus @EpiEllie have been talking about how to do harm reduction across the board, not just for protests!

          2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
          Replying to @gregggonsalves @JamesSurowiecki and

          I know! I linked to it, and added mine to my piece on protesting during a pandemic. I loved the other pieces, too. But I think it's fair to say that there wasn't as loud an attempt to provide harm-reduction guidance on broader range of activities. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/06/i-cant-breathe-using-tear-gas-during-pandemic/612673/ …pic.twitter.com/FoxCBXFR0S

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        2. Mark Yellin‏ @myellin2 6 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

          I remain baffled that public health experts seem to have forgotten the example of the Philadelphia war bonds parade in the 1918 pandemic. Was that not outdoors? And there was no tear gas involved. Yet, it is infamous for contributing to the spread of that virus.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
          Replying to @myellin2 @gregggonsalves and

          No that was cited a lot early on! That said, parades also involve indoors (bars/restaurants). But there is also evidence from 1918 about protective effects of outdoors. Also that's influenza. We started getting good epi data on Covid by March. But relaxing a message is very hard.

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