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    1. Michael Brendan Dougherty‏Verified account @michaelbd 6 Jun 2020

      Michael Brendan Dougherty Retweeted Gregg Gonsalves

      It’s not about screaming, it’s about the enforceable law that was crafted with your profession’s consultation, a law that closes off all manner of human activity, except, apparently for causes you like.https://twitter.com/gregggonsalves/status/1269222577324666880 …

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      Gregg GonsalvesVerified account @gregggonsalves
      So, I've been describing social distancing all along as an act of tremendous generosity and kindness, not as some of the conservative commentators would have you believe screaming at people not to go to funerals or church. 12/
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      20 replies 92 retweets 442 likes
    2. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @michaelbd

      Michael. First of all, it's heartwarming that you at the National Review have become such strong proponents for public health and the health of all Americans. I am sure we can count on you as we boost public health funding in the wake of this pandemic and expand the ACA. 1/

      7 replies 3 retweets 66 likes
    3. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @michaelbd

      In January-May, we had a different epidemiological setting--the pandemic was at its height. Closures then and closures now are not equivalent. 2/

      6 replies 1 retweet 24 likes
    4. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @michaelbd

      AND in fact, ALL states have re-opened weeks before these protests emerged with the idea that risk can be managed in many settings. 3/

      5 replies 0 retweets 27 likes
    5. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @michaelbd

      And in fact, outdoor settings, masked are far, far less risky than re-opening places that operate daily in close quarters, with high density of people. That is why re-opening is being triaged. 4/

      2 replies 2 retweets 35 likes
    6. James Surowiecki‏Verified account @JamesSurowiecki 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @michaelbd

      I think the frustration stems from a sense that the triaging, both legal and (as it were) rhetorical, has been shaped by political bias. The George Floyd memorial service on Thursday was indoors, and some high-profile attendees were not wearing masks.

      2 replies 1 retweet 9 likes
    7. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @JamesSurowiecki @michaelbd

      And assumes there is also a position of neutrality, free from political bias. Yes, the memorial indoors, with some in attendance not wearing masks wasn't great. But we've also had weeks of the President modeling bad behavior and policies and how we're all arguing about not-that.

      3 replies 1 retweet 10 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @JamesSurowiecki @michaelbd

      I think there are few legitimate complaints here. There should have been greater explicit discussion that it was always a trade-off and that "essential" activity is not a universal definition. Plus, should have been more acknowledgement of the emerging evidence on outdoors/risk.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

          Public health folks probably should have spoken out more when people in parks/beaches were shamed (not by public health people always! But still) even into May and June. I personally would never risk a pool party but went to a protest myself. But both do risk transmission chains.

          1 reply 6 retweets 15 likes
        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

          Plus, personally, I think it's unconscionable that we did not let people visit their dying relatives with whatever PPE they could personally muster, if or a few minutes, or with the promise of quarantine afterwards. We did that to break transmission chains, I get it but...

          3 replies 7 retweets 27 likes
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        2. Josh Young‏Verified account @jny 6 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

          There has got to be some acknowledgment that the nuance folks are now demanding is wildly more difficult in the teeth of president’s relentless production of disinformation. Oversimplied public comms may not be first-best resort and yet may be strategically optimal.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Jun 2020
          Replying to @jny @gregggonsalves and

          No doubt we're fighting a barrage of misinformation. That's what makes trying to preserve the nuance and the trust especially important. I mean, we're at a point that CDC guidelines have to be leaked. Public health people are doing double/triple duty. Not fair, but here we are.

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