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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Jun 2020
      Replying to @indica

      The opposite effect of your stance: try to fix things so that the world doesn't suffer from pandemics like this. Again, you choose your stance.

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    2. indica‏ @indica 5 Jun 2020
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      Zeynep, read this letter by Trump. Your piece makes the exact same points - delays, travel bans, Taiwan. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1262577580718395393 …

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    3. indica‏ @indica 5 Jun 2020
      Replying to @indica @zeynep

      You make them better, but I wouldn't call you a defender of the WHO. And we need defenders. Again, they're helping us. China is helping us. America is not. And you're not.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Jun 2020
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      One, this is how you defend the WHO. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/why-world-health-organization-failed/610063/ … Two, Trump's letter is incoherent and but of course he picks up on whatever he finds, especially if sane people won't make the sane argument. Three, Trump argued military contractors were too powerful, for example.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Jun 2020
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      As for China helping. Yeah, sure the new hegemon who would like to dominate the world, instead of the United States order, also the one whose early cover-up led to the pandemic. If you would rather not criticize China, go ahead. It's one authoritarian model for the world.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Jun 2020
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      If you'd like a world where we gloss over WHO's major failures instead of trying to fix them and don't say anything about one kind of authoritarianism (not the only one! but one kind) whose failures have cost the world so much because of another kind... That's your stance.

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    7. indica‏ @indica 5 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      And with all due respect, what can we do with your institutional reforms in five years? If we hate China enough is that a form of PPE? We need to defend the WHO, and you're just rewriting Trump's complaints

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Jun 2020
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      And I'd like to argue that people who'd actually like to fix things not talking about real issues is exactly what allows the kind of politics from which a Trump arises. It sucks to be in this position, but delaying trying to fix things just makes things worse and worse.

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    9. indica‏ @indica 5 Jun 2020
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      Zeynep, we're in the middle of a fire. You and Trump are talking about firefighter reforms. Defend the WHO now, get the fire out, then, by all means, fix things. Right now the biggest threat is not the WHO but the people attacking it. And that sadly, well-meaningly includes you.

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    10. indica‏ @indica 5 Jun 2020
      Replying to @indica @zeynep

      Seriously, what do you propose? An internal investigation? An audit of the WHO? Firing the Director-General? You really think these are the priorities mid-pandemic? Trump gave them 30 days to reform, what you give them, what's concrete steps would you propose?

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Jun 2020
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      Financial independence would be first priority. US House can and should introduce a bill. (It's politics; you propose even if defeated now). US election in a few months. Reform the WHO committee structures. We can propose all that!https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/why-world-health-organization-failed/610063/ …

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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Jun 2020
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          Look, it sucks to be in this position. We are simultaneously trying to fix and prop vital institutions and depend on them at the same time as bad-faith actors are trying to sink them wholesale. Media, governments, WHO... But wagon-circling isn't working.

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        2. indica‏ @indica 5 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          WTF are you talking about? Committee structures? Finances? We just needed test kits, PPE, and experts. The WHO helped. Most countries in the world operated like this. The problems were in the places that didn't use the crappy fire extinguisher on hand and wasted time.

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        3. indica‏ @indica 5 Jun 2020
          Replying to @indica @zeynep

          They say you go to war with the Army you have. Most countries went with the WHO. The countries that didn't are the ones that lost. That's the point you're missing.

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