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    1. indica‏ @indica 5 Jun 2020
      Replying to @indica @zeynep

      Trump makes a malevolent attack on the WHO, and then people like you launder it. Of course, they could improve, they're a blundering institution. You can look closely at any institution and see that, especially during a novel pandemic.

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Jun 2020
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      That is a serious and absolutely false charge. People who would rather not talk about the obvious failures of WHO and thus refuse to try to fix the reasons they happened will be the ones "laundering" everything that will destroy kind of WHO that could carry out its mission.

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    3. indica‏ @indica 5 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      That is the effect of what you do. The US has defunded the WHO. Zeynep publishes articles saying why it's a mess. All of your intentions aside, what effect do you think your work has?

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Jun 2020
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      The opposite effect of your stance: try to fix things so that the world doesn't suffer from pandemics like this. Again, you choose your stance.

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    5. indica‏ @indica 5 Jun 2020
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      Zeynep, read this letter by Trump. Your piece makes the exact same points - delays, travel bans, Taiwan. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1262577580718395393 …

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    6. indica‏ @indica 5 Jun 2020
      Replying to @indica @zeynep

      You make them better, but I wouldn't call you a defender of the WHO. And we need defenders. Again, they're helping us. China is helping us. America is not. And you're not.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Jun 2020
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      One, this is how you defend the WHO. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/why-world-health-organization-failed/610063/ … Two, Trump's letter is incoherent and but of course he picks up on whatever he finds, especially if sane people won't make the sane argument. Three, Trump argued military contractors were too powerful, for example.

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @indica

      As for China helping. Yeah, sure the new hegemon who would like to dominate the world, instead of the United States order, also the one whose early cover-up led to the pandemic. If you would rather not criticize China, go ahead. It's one authoritarian model for the world.

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @indica

      If you'd like a world where we gloss over WHO's major failures instead of trying to fix them and don't say anything about one kind of authoritarianism (not the only one! but one kind) whose failures have cost the world so much because of another kind... That's your stance.

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    10. indica‏ @indica 5 Jun 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      And with all due respect, what can we do with your institutional reforms in five years? If we hate China enough is that a form of PPE? We need to defend the WHO, and you're just rewriting Trump's complaints

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Jun 2020
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      And I'd like to argue that people who'd actually like to fix things not talking about real issues is exactly what allows the kind of politics from which a Trump arises. It sucks to be in this position, but delaying trying to fix things just makes things worse and worse.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @indica

          With the WHO, I understand the impulse to circle-the-wagons because of the obvious attempt to sink the whole thing, but in my view, that actually makes the sinking more likely to succeed. Because that gives more ammunition to those who'd like to sink the whole thing.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @indica

          With China, it's complicated. Their medical/scientific community has been heroic and competent. Their leadership failed but then rallied, but to bolster themselves. But it's really not tweet length.

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        2. indica‏ @indica 5 Jun 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Zeynep, we're in the middle of a fire. You and Trump are talking about firefighter reforms. Defend the WHO now, get the fire out, then, by all means, fix things. Right now the biggest threat is not the WHO but the people attacking it. And that sadly, well-meaningly includes you.

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        3. indica‏ @indica 5 Jun 2020
          Replying to @indica @zeynep

          Seriously, what do you propose? An internal investigation? An audit of the WHO? Firing the Director-General? You really think these are the priorities mid-pandemic? Trump gave them 30 days to reform, what you give them, what's concrete steps would you propose?

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