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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 May 2020

      For months, New York sent more than 4,300 recovering elderly COVID patients back to nursing homes because of a Coumo directive. I don't get how this isn't the biggest news. The core issues aren't the beaches, the parks or the unmasked joggers passing by.https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/ap-count-4300-virus-patients-ny-nursing-homes-70825470 …

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 May 2020

      This paper was out on February 17th, showing the dramatic threat the elderly from COVID-19. There were/are still things we do not know about this disease but the first thing we knew was the mortality rates among the elderly was very very high. Protecting them was job number onepic.twitter.com/XJt4prg6Dk

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 May 2020

      I'm not defending any other state. Many other states (and countries) have failed to protect the elderly. From a mortality stand, I don't understand how there is so much discussion about parks, beaches, joggers or anything outdoors instead of how to best protect the elderly.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 May 2020

      We're cancelling outdoor summer camps all over despite significant clear benefits (mental health; immunity; socialization; economic activity) with as low a risk profile as I can imagine (driving to camp probably higher risk) and there's still not enough focus on the elderly.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 May 2020

          I'm also not saying let the young get infected. There really isn't enough focus on what "surviving" COVID means for younger people. But so much energy is focused on activities that we have little to no known cases of transmission and are as low-risk as life gets, and yet... sigh.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 May 2020

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          We aren't sure when the infectiousness stops. 14 days is a guideline but there are cases to either side—some longer. But sending anyone who needs extra care/precautions to nursing homes where they were already barely managing things was a bad idea. https://twitter.com/ThisWasMash/status/1263904892952948737 …

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        1. Nicholas Weaver‏Verified account @ncweaver 22 May 2020
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          Cancel camp, but go to church...

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        2. Leah Claire‏ @osmfarm 22 May 2020
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          How can a summer camp full of kids be low risk? They’re disease spreaders at the best of times.

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        3. Garrett Wollman‏ @garrett_wollman 22 May 2020
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          There's very little evidence of kids spreading SARS-CoV-2. Adult-to-adult transmission is where it's at. Starting to develop some science about why this is (related to children expressing fewer ACE2 receptors in their nasal epithelium, also explains their lower susceptibility).

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        1. Steven M. Bellovin‏Verified account @SteveBellovin 22 May 2020
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          At the day camps I attended as a kid, there was plenty of indoor stuff: rainy days, arts and crafts, swimming, more. Maybe it can be done safely, but that’s not 100% obvious, and it may not be true for all or even most day camps.

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        1. Chris‏ @Walshman23 22 May 2020
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          Are you referring to day camp only?

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        1. Clark H‏ @Clarksterh 22 May 2020
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          What happens to adult camp administration - or kids coming back from camps?

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        1. Lindsay Beyerstein‏ @beyerstein 23 May 2020
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          Sleep away camps seem pretty high-risk, even if kids spend time outdoors. Cabins are small, poorly ventilated dorms, a transmission nightmare. Daycamps where kids spend all day outside, much less so.

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        1. girldetectivex‏ @GirlDetectiveX 20 Jun 2020
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          What do you think about daycare risk? I have a three-year-old.

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