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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 May 2020

      Tweets one can't reply to? How about tweets that cannot be quoted?!?! Quote-tweets are occasionally okay but they are generally the worst aspect of this site and why I sometimes delete tweets (out-of-context quotes leading to stupidity and waste of time).

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 May 2020

      A first-order approximation of the quality of an argument is usually the amount of quote-tweeting. A quote tweet to start a discussion? Maybe, if done with care. But the most common use is cherry-picking for dunking. Intellectually *yawn* but also just man empty dust and noise.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 May 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Eva

          Lemme quote-tweet her to say that's fine. And I do it too—like now! What I want is to be able to *choose* which of my tweets can't be quoted on their own because they're part of a thread! Quotes should pull the whole thread + have the convo in one place.https://twitter.com/evacide/status/1263206774376591360 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          EvaVerified account @evacide
          Replying to @zeynep
          Quote tweeting is bad now? I quote tweet all the time, sometimes to criticize, but more often to give credit to the other people who are involved in the conversation/doing the work. Now I am worried that I'm doing Twitter wrong.
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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 May 2020

          Quote-tweet is just fine if used honestly and with care, but functionally speaking it breaks two things: threads and the conversation. One quote in a thread is easy to mischaracterize. Plus dueling quote-tweets are practically impossible to follow. Engagement over substance.

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        4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 May 2020

          Screenshots? If used honestly (screenshot the whole thread) that's better. Also screenshots lessen the number of people who can easily reply to the out-of-context tweet and easily reply. Also my point isn't stopping bad-faith behavior; it's building functionality to escalate it.

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        5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 May 2020

          As with any feature, there are lots of people who quote-tweet occasionally and in good-faith (to give credit, for example, or the amplify something worthy). Their worst use is turning what should be back-and-forth discussion into contextless, easy dunking.

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        6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 May 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆

          Yes, I had wanted that for a while, and that could do as well. Preserves conversation. Still have to figure out how to avoid the dueling quote-tweeting. It's bad for conversation but I bet great for engagement (dunking is engaging).https://twitter.com/KDbyProxy/status/1263212562054819844 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆 @KDbyProxy
          Replying to @zeynep
          "but functionally speaking it breaks [...] the conversation." Which is why Twitter should offer "Reply quote-tweets" so it stays in the convo. Why quote-tweet in the reply? Because esp when there are lots of replies, ppl who reply to a reply lose track of what the OT was about.
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        7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 May 2020

          To conclude, this thread as a whole doesn't say don't ever quote tweet, but you could easily take one tweet and try to characterize it that way. Or turn it into a quote-tweeting duel. Which is the issue! Control over quote/embedding would help. Instead, we got unrepliability.😬

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        2. Nicholas Bauer, PhD  👨‍🔬 🔬‏ @BioTurboNick 20 May 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Yeah, but people will just screenshot.

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        3. Amy Hoy‏ @amyhoy 20 May 2020
          Replying to @BioTurboNick @zeynep

          it takes way more effort to harass somebody when you see a screenshot than when you see a quote tweet

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Eva‏Verified account @evacide 20 May 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Quote tweeting is bad now? I quote tweet all the time, sometimes to criticize, but more often to give credit to the other people who are involved in the conversation/doing the work. Now I am worried that I'm doing Twitter wrong.

          2 replies 0 retweets 13 likes
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