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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 May 2020

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      It's important not just to remember this (the incorrect guidance on masks) but to study and understand it. When I wrote my "masks work" op-ed on March 17 for the New York Times, I honestly thought I was likely ending my career as a public writer. https://twitter.com/Aelkus/status/1261994903007113216 …

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 May 2020

      That was *just* two months ago. I'm grateful that instead, the science won and the messaging moved. But, of course, there is resistance to a message (wear masks) that, just two months ago, was treated like being an anti-vaxxer by global, US and European health authorities.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 May 2020

      Why didn't we listen to the medical experts in Asia? Why was it so hard to communicate that masks are a public good (they protect others and collectively protect all of us) in a pandemic for a respiratory disease? And how did we move so fast to scolding, forgetting what happened?

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 May 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Lainie Lipson

      Thank you! Again, I wrote a pro-mask oped thinking that was the end of my writing career (I have a day job as an academic so a small sacrifice in the grand scheme) and people who followed the advice were sneered at and even attacked. JUST TWO MONTHS AGO.https://twitter.com/artcraftculture/status/1262067746960883713 …

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      Lainie Lipson @artcraftculture
      Replying to @zeynep
      I started sewing and wearing masks the minute I read your essay, because it made so much sense and I’m 62 and would prefer not to die. Thank you. The first time I wore one to the grocery store I got pointed at and laughed at by dumbass macho dudes.
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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 May 2020

      "We" keep starting the analytic clock from the moment when "we" changed our mind or got affected (Trump getting elected, for ex.). That's no way to understand the world. It's human: "we" are all blind to ourselves. It takes enormous effort to try not to be. But that's the work.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 May 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Lazarus Long

      Thank you! I also thought I was toast. I'm proud of what I chose to do but I'm also an academic with tenure. That's the whole point of tenure: to give people the opportunity to take these kinds of risks. It wasn't exactly running into a burning building.https://twitter.com/LazarusLong13/status/1262069538255826944 …

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      Lazarus Long @LazarusLong13
      Replying to @zeynep
      I thought you were toast too...and you earned my undying respect and appreciation. Thank you!
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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 May 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Lydia Bates

      Yes. That's how you get resilience.https://twitter.com/lydiajo/status/1262069338296680454 …

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      Lydia Bates @lydiajo
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      We need to get better at allowing ourselves, and others, to be wrong, to screw up, and to make mistakes. We’ve made it almost impossible for someone to change their mind, or even to simply say “oops, sorry”. And admitting to not knowing something has become an unforgivable sin.
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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 May 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Mateo the Tweeter  🍄

      Yes, the messaging ranged from "they don't work" to "they make things worse." The latter never had any scientific basis but gets repeated to this day.https://twitter.com/Fly_Agaric/status/1262072335315562496 …

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      Mateo the Tweeter  🍄 @Fly_Agaric
      Replying to @zeynep
      Honest question… I never remember “masks don’t work” being the common wisdom / mantra. Use was discouraged because of fear that medical quality ones were needed for medical workers and efficacy of simple clothe masks had not been determined. Am I remembering wrong?
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 May 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted TeflonFöng

      As usual, all of that gets mixed together. To this day, anti-maskers cite the old articles (especially the ones that falsely said masks make things worse), screenshots of CDC guidelines/tweets, WHO... It's embedded in a individualistic/liberty framework.https://twitter.com/TeflonFong/status/1262075578812948481 …

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      TeflonFöng @TeflonFong
      Replying to @zeynep
      I wonder how much a factor the bungled messaging and quick stance-changing played a part in the current anti-mask movement or is it mostly inherently a cultural thing - freedom/civil liberties/etc and a repeat of the anti-mask league in 1918?
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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 May 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Thomas Hunt Morgan

          The public health argument was very hard to get across.https://twitter.com/binneystreetbio/status/1262090664541650946 …

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          Thomas Hunt Morgan @binneystreetbio
          Replying to @zeynep
          I think the problem was one of collective vs individual perspective. In the west most of us see a health intervention from a “protect yourself” perspective, and masks are quite ineffective at protecting the wearer. But from a collectivist protective, if we can all agree...(1/2)
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        2. LucasB‏ @theRealFacted 17 May 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          I'm not anti-mask per se, but I also don't feel that are all that helpful, given the emerging evidence of aerosolized spread leading to the vast majority of transmission. I also cite modern articles/papers. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/data-do-not-back-cloth-masks-limit-covid-19-experts-say … National academy of Science has found the same

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        3. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 17 May 2020
          Replying to @theRealFacted @zeynep

          Misses the point that masks are to protect others from you not you from others.

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        1. TeflonFöng‏ @TeflonFong 17 May 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          I have been catching up on Mr. Robot and while there was isolated mask-wearing in the States pre-covid, I sense that it will be more prevalent but voluntary, just like the show - it’s amazing how prescient that small aspect of the show is.

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        1. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 17 May 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Really? It really looks a lot more like a performance of loyalty to their precious death cult leader.

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        2. Thomas Hunt Morgan‏ @binneystreetbio 17 May 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          I think the problem was one of collective vs individual perspective. In the west most of us see a health intervention from a “protect yourself” perspective, and masks are quite ineffective at protecting the wearer. But from a collectivist protective, if we can all agree...(1/2)

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        3. Thomas Hunt Morgan‏ @binneystreetbio 17 May 2020
          Replying to @binneystreetbio @zeynep

          (2/2) to wear masks to protect each other, then they work. In the west, products are evaluated for their ability to protect the user, not their society-wide ~75% reduction in transmission

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        1. Simonᵛᵉˡᵈᵗ‏ @Simon_Veldt 17 May 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          The point is mute but the body of evidence shows no effect in public settings and your analysis did not include research on public health interventions. With an accountabillity to the public you should have waited for current research studies to finish.https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04337541?cond=Face+mask+covid&draw=2&rank=1 …

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        1. Noah Sloss‏ @noahsloss 17 May 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          The anti-mask framing is intentional and not organic. Remember the NRA’s framing of mass shootings as “the price we pay for freedom”. The anti-lockdown protests were set up through GOP social media and fundraising networks.

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