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    zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 May 2020

    What are people's theories of Japan *and* India? Yes, I know both undercount and Japan wore masks. But no real lockdown in Japan, no mass testing in either but both are so much better than NYC or Lombardy, even weeks after lockdowns. What theory explains both Japan and India? https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/1258363452889772034 …pic.twitter.com/ca0h3g7tZq

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      2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 May 2020

        We have clear evidence of transmission risks indoors etc. so lockdowns make sense. Not arguing against either. But I've yet to hear a convincing explanation of how Japan, India etc. have (thankfully! hopefully forever!) avoided a disaster comparable in size to NYC or Lombardy.

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      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 May 2020

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Boosted Kraken  💉 💉 💉

        Japan is definitely not social-distancing in any strict sense of the word, and while surely there are undercounts, can you really hide a carnage on the scale of Lombardy/NYC? Don't think so. Plus elderly. And India obviously not "stronger immune systems."https://twitter.com/twidark1/status/1258551726187008001 …

        zeynep tufekci added,

        Boosted Kraken  💉 💉 💉 @twidark1
        Replying to @zeynep
        Masks, good hygiene and proper social distancing in Japan, Possibly stronger immune systems in India, or really bad undercounting, like in Ecuador.
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      4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 May 2020

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Sherlockian

        India is. Japan is not. But India is super dense and high air pollution, and you'd expect home transmission. India skews young; Japan older. Both are very very dense. I don't understand why these two (thankfully!) are not anywhere near NYC/Lombardy levels.https://twitter.com/dylanista0524/status/1258552735743406080 …

        zeynep tufekci added,

        Sherlockian @dylanista0524
        Replying to @zeynep
        I am sorry, India is NOT under a lockdown?
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      5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 May 2020

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted

        Yes, BCG gets floated and there are trials. Wouldn't NYC be a natural place to test BCG as it is a natural experiment? Many immigrants have had BCG vaccines as children in other countries and then came to NYC. Someone with access to demographics can test. https://twitter.com/bianelkhatib/status/1258557817545543680 …

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      6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 May 2020

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        Yes you'd expect something much worse in India/Japan OR you have to assume both countries are hiding enormous number of deaths and overrun hospitals. I don't buy that. You cannot hide Lombardy/NYC levels. See Quito. Sometimes you don't need a weatherman. https://twitter.com/hijodeprada/status/1258558803898970119 …

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      7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 May 2020

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted earthly  🌏

        I picked those two as examples of contrast but also... Maybe no one answer but it’s a question.https://twitter.com/nairikha/status/1258565145053196289 …

        zeynep tufekci added,

        earthly  🌏 @nairikha
        Indonesia is clearly undertesting & underreporting, case numbers are still rising, but imho we haven't seen an explosion in cases as badly as in EU. It'll be interesting to keep an eye on India which has similar environments. Doesn't change Indo's need for better policies though. https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1258548813888811008 …
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      8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 May 2020

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Protik Islam-Jakobsson

        I agree and we will eventually know more, though I also don't think any country can hide *huge* spikes. Hospitals overrun, thousands dead per day... These are usually visible contemporaneously without needing to be teased out with statistics. So why not?https://twitter.com/ikitorp/status/1258750317350567936 …

        zeynep tufekci added,

        Protik Islam-Jakobsson @ikitorp
        Replying to @zeynep @70sBachchan
        Difficult to determine how either country has fared without analyses of excess all-cause mortality.
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      2. バニートルーパー‏ @archie4oz 7 May 2020
        Replying to @xiruxi @zeynep

        School closures in late Feb? Pneumonia vaccinations for the elderly? Undercounting COVID deaths? 🤷🏻

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      2. This is not a place of honour‏ @hroethgar 7 May 2020
        Replying to @zeynep

        A sense of collective responsibility?

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      3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 7 May 2020
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        You might as well say the inscrutable Oriental mind

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