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    1. jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)‏ @jonst0kes 30 Apr 2020

      We need models that are more granular, where readers can tally up their own pre-existing conditions & demographic factors, then game out their own risk on a spectrum from "survived with health intact" to "permanent damage" to "dead".

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    2. jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)‏ @jonst0kes 30 Apr 2020

      I scroll through tons of tweets & graphs about age-distributed fatality rates on crypto/biotech/vc twitter & think "This is not useful to me. At 44, I know my risk of dropping dead of this is low. But what about my risk of lung damage? Liver damage? Hello? Anybody?"

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    3. jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)‏ @jonst0kes 30 Apr 2020

      Honestly I think a bunch of really smart people who are running numbers on this are doing their own stealth version of "just the flu" thinking. It's "just the flu" but w/ a different fatality rate. That is not accurate. It is not "basically the flu, but way more ppl die."

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    4. jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)‏ @jonst0kes 30 Apr 2020

      I've been developing a sense that we're at a weird stage of this where the crowd that could do basic forecasting with exponentials & simple parameters, & where thus much earlier than the medical community to sound the alarm, is already finding itself fighting the last war.

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    5. jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)‏ @jonst0kes 30 Apr 2020

      What I mean is, there was a set of skills & attitudes that let biotech/VC/BI/engineering/crypto guys call this early with some basic modeling & a willingness to believe the horrific-looking output they were getting. But I think we're out of that phase, yet many don't know it.

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    6. jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)‏ @jonst0kes 30 Apr 2020

      jonstokes(\.com|\.eth) Retweeted jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)

      E.g. I think this exact thing is at work with @JamesTodaroMD. See this thread. I think he's now well out of his depth & doesn't know it, & we are now squarely back on the turf of the same infectious disease experts who utterly failed to see this coming.https://twitter.com/jonst0kes/status/1255558219159736322 …

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      jonstokes(\.com|\.eth) @jonst0kes
      So the CDC flu infection estimates and the COVID-19 serology-based infection estimates are not apples to apples at all. These are different kinds of estimates that come from different methodologies. The degree to which they're comparable is above my pay grade, but...
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    7. jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)‏ @jonst0kes 30 Apr 2020

      It's like the old SNL Nick Burns skit, but if instead of just saying "MOVE" and printing the doc for the person, he stayed at the desk & started trying to run her spreadsheets for her & take her calls. https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/nick-burns-your-companys-computer-guy/n11524 …

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    8. jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)‏ @jonst0kes 30 Apr 2020

      To clarify, Todaro was early, as were a number of people in tech/VC/biotech/crypto. I was early, too. But I think the same set of skills that let that crowd call the fact of the pandemic early on is not the same set of skills that tells us where it goes from here.

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    9. jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)‏ @jonst0kes 30 Apr 2020

      We're now back on the turf of pretty standard epidemiology and public health. They were blindsided by this, but now that they've had some time they're probably better equipped to navigate the next phase than the ppl who weren't blindsided by it.

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 30 Apr 2020
      Replying to @jonst0kes

      I agree on the great uncertainty going forward but that said, standard epidemiology and public heath as a field weren't that blindsided. The story seems to be that the officials were, or were otherwise pushed out/silenced. I didn't really see denial/flu among regular scientists.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 30 Apr 2020
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      But very clear that survived/did not survive is just tip of the iceberg. I've been sending people this one: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes …

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