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    zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Apr 2020

    Question! I taught/researched about pandemics for a long time—see my 2014 piece below. I was always struck by how my students didn't know about the 1918 flu pandemic. What are people's theories about this memory hole? Why so little cultural memory/impact? https://medium.com/message/ebola-the-real-reason-everyone-should-panic-889f32740e3e …pic.twitter.com/Jnq3ZGLGQt

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      2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Apr 2020

        I have my theories, too, but I am also wondering if there is a systematic study and/or long-form pieces I don't know about how the 1918 pandemic got so little traction in literature, film, memoirs, etc? I got used to spending a good chunk of time convincing students it was real.

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      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Apr 2020

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Daniel Mintz

        Also!https://twitter.com/danielmintz/status/1254415845759102977 …

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        Daniel Mintz @danielmintz
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        I feel like it at least has some place in the collective memory. I’m more fascinated that 1957 and 1968 are completely gone, especially given how recent they are
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      4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Apr 2020

        So anyone at the event want to update us? https://twitter.com/MoatsLikeKodak/status/1254430803121012738 …pic.twitter.com/BGzxEdQsnM

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      2. Patrick Heemstra‏ @patrick23dingen 26 Apr 2020
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        Because of the world wars.

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      3. Karen‏ @A2AfterDark 26 Apr 2020
        Replying to @patrick23dingen @zeynep

        Yep. Flu info was actively suppressed as it was considered vital war info. That's why it is called the Spanish flu despite being first detected in Kansas.

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      2. Jeppe Mulich‏ @jmulich 26 Apr 2020
        Replying to @zeynep

        I think it's mostly drowned out by WWI and WWII. In my experience students know very little about early twentieth century history, and next to nothing that's not about one of the wars.

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      3. Jeppe Mulich‏ @jmulich 26 Apr 2020
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        If you haven't read it, Alfred Crosby's classic monograph on the pandemic - America's Forgotten Pandemic - has a good afterword on historical memory and the forgetting of the virus. The whole book is well worth reading.

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      1. Carly Goodman, Ph.D., emerita‏ @car1ygoodman 26 Apr 2020
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        I was thinking that it got wrapped into WWI memory and dimmed as a result. But I also think people don’t know how to file collective memory of events without an enemy?

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      1. Sam Charles Norton‏ @Elizaphanian 26 Apr 2020
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        Because it didn't raise questions of meaning or cultural identity. WW1 did, and that occupied all the conversational space in the relevant years.

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      2. badidea  🪐‏ @0xabad1dea 26 Apr 2020
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        In my experience, American children simply aren’t taught any history after the Reconstruction. I never heard about the 1918 flu in school, I learned about it from a documentary I happened to see on tv.

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      3. Dave, 2022 edition‏ @6502_ftw 26 Apr 2020
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        Same guess. I never learned about it in school, I happened on it by accident in a book or magazine, not sure (it was pre-Wikipedia, though not pre-Internet, but I’m pretty sure it was on paper).

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