You should take it up with the epidemiologists trying to argue there are vast and serious increased risks to "we can suppress this until vaccine" strategy as well. Not short-term; nobody is saying short-term relaxation. Seriously, this isn't a look-I-can-dunk-tweet discussion.
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Replying to @zeynep @Praetorian27
There's no cost to just deleting a tweet, Zeynep! This isn't some kind of face-saving status-battle. Tweets don't have to be declarations written in stone. No one will fault you for deleting it.
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Replying to @Noahpinion @Praetorian27
It's not about face-saving! I delete tweets where I'm wrong, and I actually say I'm deleting them + why. You're conflating early UK-style "let's let this burn" with "if we don't control the relaxation in a particular way, we may get an uncontrolled, bigger fire a la 1918 Fall."
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Replying to @zeynep @Praetorian27
When most people hear "herd immunity", the British insanity is exactly what they think of. Yes, "herd immunity via vaccine" is a real thing, but you never explicitly qualified in your thread that this is what you meant.
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Noah Smith 🐇 Retweeted zeynep tufekci
In fact, in this tweet, you make it clear that "natural herd immunity" - which would involve hundreds of thousands to millions of American deaths - would be a rational option:https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1253694561739816960 …
Noah Smith 🐇 added,
zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynepEffective herd immunity comes via vaccine or sufficient natural immunity and/or measures to lower R(eff) via supplementary strategies: different ways of more isolated living; masks/UVC in air vents etc. That's the discussion to have if we could. https://twitter.com/bXLpedestrian/status/1253692837029347328 …Show this thread1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @Noahpinion @Praetorian27
You are missing the point! One question we can face may well be: do we get hit hard with a high peak (many deaths) or do we try to distribute over time (fewer deaths)? We may get a vaccine in a year. Or not. Flattening the curve is exactly *this* question.
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Replying to @zeynep @Praetorian27
I understand what the article you linked to is arguing. I understand what the epidemiologists are arguing. What I don't understand is how your tweet about "go for herd immunity" accurately represents their ideas in any way. Seems to me it does not.
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Anyway, Zeynep, I'm done arguing. The quote-tweet will stand. Not a dunk, just a reminder that "go for herd immunity" is not a thing we should talk about except explicitly in the context of a vaccine. Cheers.
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Replying to @Noahpinion @Praetorian27
Up to you. I don't think you are doing the issues here any justice. It's just making it harder to discuss this big danger we are facing, of 1918 Fall.
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I can’t keep arguing this, but herd immunity is a very well established epidemiological term. I’m usually a linguistic descriptivist but in this case I don’t think that’s justified to completely throw out a common and specific term because UK implied it meant slash and burn.
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