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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Noah Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 24 Apr 2020

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      This is just wrong. Test-and-Trace + masks + distancing can suppress coronavirus and allow a partial return to normality until we get treatment/vaccine (which is likely, and not a "miracle"). Talk of "going for herd immunity" is just as bad now as it was in the UK 2 months ago. https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1253677705205334017 …

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    2. Maximilien "Mjolnir tosser" Guerrero‏ @Praetorian27 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      Incredible. Someone of her background providing nonsensical prescriptions without any idea about the full underlying molecular pathology or the immunological dynamics of the infection, is beyond reckless. No one advocated for 'herd' solutions should be listened to.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    3. Noah Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @Praetorian27

      Yes. @zeynep, I believe you should delete that tweet.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @Noahpinion @Praetorian27

      You should take it up with the epidemiologists trying to argue there are vast and serious increased risks to "we can suppress this until vaccine" strategy as well. Not short-term; nobody is saying short-term relaxation. Seriously, this isn't a look-I-can-dunk-tweet discussion.

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    5. Noah Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @Praetorian27

      There's no cost to just deleting a tweet, Zeynep! This isn't some kind of face-saving status-battle. Tweets don't have to be declarations written in stone. No one will fault you for deleting it.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @Noahpinion @Praetorian27

      It's not about face-saving! I delete tweets where I'm wrong, and I actually say I'm deleting them + why. You're conflating early UK-style "let's let this burn" with "if we don't control the relaxation in a particular way, we may get an uncontrolled, bigger fire a la 1918 Fall."

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    7. Noah Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @Praetorian27

      When most people hear "herd immunity", the British insanity is exactly what they think of. Yes, "herd immunity via vaccine" is a real thing, but you never explicitly qualified in your thread that this is what you meant.

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    8. Noah Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @Noahpinion @zeynep @Praetorian27

      Noah Smith  🐇 Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      In fact, in this tweet, you make it clear that "natural herd immunity" - which would involve hundreds of thousands to millions of American deaths - would be a rational option:https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1253694561739816960 …

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      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      Effective herd immunity comes via vaccine or sufficient natural immunity and/or measures to lower R(eff) via supplementary strategies: different ways of more isolated living; masks/UVC in air vents etc. That's the discussion to have if we could. https://twitter.com/bXLpedestrian/status/1253692837029347328 …
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @Noahpinion @Praetorian27

      You are missing the point! One question we can face may well be: do we get hit hard with a high peak (many deaths) or do we try to distribute over time (fewer deaths)? We may get a vaccine in a year. Or not. Flattening the curve is exactly *this* question.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @Noahpinion @Praetorian27

          I'm not saying agree with what I'm saying (well, not what I'm saying, but okay). But it is not something that can be discussed in "who wants to kill grandma" quote-tweeting. The discussion is about how to lower the risk of mass deaths; not letting mass deaths get us through.

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        3. Noah Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 24 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @Praetorian27

          "Natural herd immunity", which you suggest at one point in your thread, does involve killing many people's grandmas unnecessarily! And it's not what epidemiologists are suggesting.

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        2. Noah Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 24 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @Praetorian27

          I understand what the article you linked to is arguing. I understand what the epidemiologists are arguing. What I don't understand is how your tweet about "go for herd immunity" accurately represents their ideas in any way. Seems to me it does not.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020
          Replying to @Noahpinion @Praetorian27

          If you take a single tweet and interpret herd immunity to mean UK-style kill the elderly quickly, it doesn't. But that's not what the term means! Of course we are going to go for herd immunity. Full suppression for years may sound great but it has real, huge risks of mass deaths.

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