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    1. Noah Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 24 Apr 2020

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      This is just wrong. Test-and-Trace + masks + distancing can suppress coronavirus and allow a partial return to normality until we get treatment/vaccine (which is likely, and not a "miracle"). Talk of "going for herd immunity" is just as bad now as it was in the UK 2 months ago. https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1253677705205334017 …

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020
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      Did you read the rest of the thread? "Partial return to normalcy" is under controlled conditions while not making the epidemic worse is exactly what it's about. Can you please not quote tweet like this?

      2 replies 0 retweets 18 likes
    3. Noah Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      I'm sorry, but talk of "going for herd immunity" is utterly irresponsible. Even if herd immunity is possible (which we don't know), it requires that a vast number of our people die of coronavirus, when in fact we can prevent that. Nor is treatment a "miracle".

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    4. Noah Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @Noahpinion @zeynep

      I read your entire thread, and it consists mainly of defenses of the bad "herd immunity" tweet. I think the best thing to do would be to delete the tweet and repost without the call for "herd immunity".

      1 reply 0 retweets 14 likes
    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      No, because eventually we are going to go for herd immunity via a combination vaccine/natural immunity. Do you understand the point? The risk to zero suppression for a year is an uncontrolled fire killing *many more* than a controlled version. Something we have to try to discuss.

      2 replies 0 retweets 16 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @Noahpinion

      That's why it's not a good thing to discuss with quote-tweet dunking. I mean, I can do that, too but what's the point? If you want to advocate we can effectively suppress with no increased risk these epidemiologists are pointing out, argue that. Not we're out to kill people.

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    7. Noah Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      If you delete the tweet, I'll happily delete the quote-tweet! I have no desire to start fights. But your tweet is being used to fuel calls for very bad and dangerous things.

      6 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      If you want to argue with it, why don't you either reply or screenshot the entire thing? I think it's an important discussion to have. I don't think there is a good, risk-free option. It's not my original argument; some of world's top epidemiologists are making this argument.

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    9. Noah Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      "It's not my original argument; some of world's top epidemiologists are making this argument." <-- Source?

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020
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      IN MY ORIGINAL TWEET. Wait a minute, I'll get it to you again.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020
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      https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/10/opinion/its-possible-flatten-curve-too-long/ … (There are a bunch of papers there). There is more. This really is about avoiding a scenario like 1918 Fall redux.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @Noahpinion

          Also this:https://osf.io/rq5ct/ 

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @Noahpinion

          Honestly, this might be because "herd immunity" is now associated in people's mind with insane slash-and-burn. There is a real consideration of what we are risking if we try to fully suppress, but then if we can't and then get hit in Fall versus the controlled opening in summer.

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        1. Noah Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 24 Apr 2020
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          https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1253727224865284096 …

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          Where does any of these papers argue that we should "go for herd immunity" before a vaccine is developed?!!
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        1.  🌐 💡 🧮Trevor Vossberg  🛴 🥑 🍦‏ @TrevorVossberg 24 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @Noahpinion

          What is the new information here? If you want to argue spike in fall is worse due to say hospital overload then make that argument but it doesn't appear here. Periodic suppression is unlikely to be correct as tradeoff curve is likely convex.

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        1. Go Rocky 2012!‏ @gcmaverick 24 Apr 2020
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          It’s plausible our treatment/detection toolkits will be significantly improved by Fall. So it’s debatable whether or not a slow burn in the summer (with its lives lost and permanent organ damage,) is preferably to a Fall spike in cases when we may be able to improve outcomes.

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