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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020

      Here's an important discussion that people are missing in this polarized environment. Not only can we not remain in full lock-down forever because of its human costs, we should not. Good luck discussing that though. (Work by @mlipsitch/@yhgrad and others). https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/10/opinion/its-possible-flatten-curve-too-long/ …pic.twitter.com/eJ3qGpwQz2

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020

      I did my gut check with local Facebook groups this morning, and indeed, one person had posted an article about getting to herd immunity was immediately jumped on with "so you want to kill grandma, you murderer!". Reality is we have to open up, but with preparation and caution.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020

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      Here's another thread about this with a cool preprint at the end. It's a really tough road ahead! (In case there is any misunderstanding: right now, in the US, we *should* be in full lockdown. We're in the crisis stage). https://twitter.com/dylanhmorris/status/1246264320402640898 …

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020

      The unfortunate reality is that we are likely to open up in the worst possible way: relax restrictions too early because of political polarization and/or inability to provide proper financial relief to those affected and/or the unscientific policies of closing all parks etc.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020

      TO CLARIFY because it is always too easy to misunderstand. I'm *not* at all suggesting relaxing right now! It's too dangerous to brings people together especially indoors. The point is we need to bring this way down now *and* get ready for controlled reopening. Tough road ahead.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Luke Gardner

      Yes something like that. We locked down too late, we’re still not locking down properly. We didn’t start masks early enough. We are not testing enough. We’re not fully building tracing. Instead of a controlled opening, we may just have a deadly outburst.https://twitter.com/likeluke/status/1253680298862284802 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Luke Gardner @likeluke
      Replying to @zeynep @mlipsitch @yhgrad
      Is it just me, or does it seem like the US has basically itself up for maximum pain? First, a botched "lockdown" with no central policy Second, no testing or tracing system build during the botched lockedown Third, no coherent strategy for undoing the damage
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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020

      Also, *please* stop explaining trace-and-isolate, *obviously* that's part of the strategy and you're missing the point if you think epidemiologists don't know this.🙄 Also, no need to send me media articles about our uncertainty about SARS-CoV-2 immunity. Yes, that's our reality.

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted TBashII

      Exactly. That's not what the epidemiologists are talking about! That was nuts—just bloodshed. One key Q is when/if people think we might get a vaccine (big unknown) and how much test/trace can work with a functioning economy (maybe a lot? important Q).https://twitter.com/RukhnamaLives/status/1253686060422488065 …

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      TBashII @RukhnamaLives
      Replying to @RukhnamaLives @zeynep and 3 others
      since the general public is new to all this, they hear "herd immunity" and immediately jump to Boris Johnson's initial "plan", or the mayor of Las Vegas
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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Elaine Doyle

      This is another important point. We aren't ready to and SHOULD NOT relax anything yet in the US and hopefully we will have more clarity soon re:immunity/vaccine. But we will have to make these decisions and consider hard choices under real uncertainty.https://twitter.com/laineydoyle/status/1253687214015463425 …

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      Elaine Doyle @laineydoyle
      Replying to @zeynep @RukhnamaLives and 2 others
      <nods> The timing of a vaccine is defo a crucial part of it. From what I understand, she's also advocating for more time to *understand* the vaccine, and its long-term implications, before we expose large % of pop to it. Which would be a necessary (& risky) part of herd immunity.
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Brussels cyclo-pedestrian

      Yes, that's the other end of this discussion as well as keeping R(eff) down via supplementary measures: modified indoors rules/masks/UVC in air ducts/vents etc. (which I think we should) *but* no single path is a proven success yet, including S. Korea.https://twitter.com/bXLpedestrian/status/1253689940283719681 …

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      Brussels cyclo-pedestrian @bXLpedestrian
      Replying to @zeynep
      "No other path" Anywhere? Could countries that currently seem to have this under control, such as S. Korea, take another path for example? If so, could a hard, Wuhan-style lockdown get other countries to the same point?
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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Brussels cyclo-pedestrian

          We can: try to stamp it out completely and hope that we can implement a test-trace capacity re:South Korea that never gets overwhelmed and we get vaccine soon, three big assumptions. One hopes! But there has to be discussion what if assumptions don't hold.https://twitter.com/bXLpedestrian/status/1253692837029347328 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Brussels cyclo-pedestrian @bXLpedestrian
          Replying to @zeynep
          Yes, true that there is no proven successful path yet. But while strategies in some appear to be containing the virus so far, is it not premature to say that there is no other path but herd immunity?
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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Brussels cyclo-pedestrian

          Effective herd immunity comes via vaccine or sufficient natural immunity and/or measures to lower R(eff) via supplementary strategies: different ways of more isolated living; masks/UVC in air vents etc. That's the discussion to have if we could.https://twitter.com/bXLpedestrian/status/1253692837029347328 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Brussels cyclo-pedestrian @bXLpedestrian
          Replying to @zeynep
          Yes, true that there is no proven successful path yet. But while strategies in some appear to be containing the virus so far, is it not premature to say that there is no other path but herd immunity?
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        4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020

          Anyway, for now: keep your distance, work from home if possible; wear masks around other people; avoid crowded indoors if at all optional. Given the way things are, it may all be wishful thinking to try to hope for sane long-term strategies. Right now, we isolate.

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        5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Noah Smith  🐇

          Just in case that’s not clear. This isn’t what herd immunity means.https://twitter.com/noahpinion/status/1253726850632708096 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Noah Smith  🐇Verified account @Noahpinion
          Replying to @NeveltenJohn @zeynep
          To everyone who is familiar with the UK's disastrous initial plan, "herd immunity" means "let's all get the virus".
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        1. Brussels cyclo-pedestrian‏ @bXLpedestrian 24 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Yes, true that there is no proven successful path yet. But while strategies in some appear to be containing the virus so far, is it not premature to say that there is no other path but herd immunity?

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        1. Randy Finch‏ @randyfinch 24 Apr 2020
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          What you are suggesting may be the only way forward in countries like the US (where leadership has been derelict). But? Have you considered the heavy cost on non-US citizens of countries that have been well-run so far, like Taiwan?

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