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    1. Yaneer Bar-Yam‏ @yaneerbaryam 22 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      If 80% of transmission is within familes and you are not addressing it, then you can't achieve R<1 with masks. Why mislead?

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Apr 2020
      Replying to @yaneerbaryam

      It's a population model! That's why I added. As for household transmission, depends on how the index case in the household is getting infected in the first place. If yes, same impact. So issue isn't household or not but for example, fomites/PPE availability for HCW etc.

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    3. Yaneer Bar-Yam‏ @yaneerbaryam 22 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Please don't obfuscate, R/R0 is a societal transmission. If you didn't model societal transmission don't refer to R/R0. Call it something else.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Apr 2020
      Replying to @yaneerbaryam

      It is R and their full paper is linked here and shown on the chart. It's from the modeling group at Hong Kong Baptist University. I only mentioned households because I was thinking what happens if we never get PPE for healthcare workers. Different Q.https://arxiv.org/abs/2003.07353 

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    5. Yaneer Bar-Yam‏ @yaneerbaryam 22 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      They are analyzing multiple things in parallel. Not just masks. I don't necessarily agree with their model but it is not just about masks.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Apr 2020
      Replying to @yaneerbaryam

      Of course! I completely agree, and our article says that masks are not replacing social distancing measures. I go out of my way to emphasize that every-time I write or talk. Are you worried that people will misunderstand? If anything, I think masks can remind people to stay away!

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    7. Yaneer Bar-Yam‏ @yaneerbaryam 22 Apr 2020
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      Yes. Look at the figure. I already attached the heading in a previous note. It is what people will see and only that.

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Apr 2020
      Replying to @yaneerbaryam

      Ah, without reading anything else? The text is clear. Let me go back to editors/co-authors and see if we can squeeze in more words there. It's more of a graph labeling issue, text is clear. I am not at all an advocate of stopping distancing. Just adding masks.

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    9. Yaneer Bar-Yam‏ @yaneerbaryam 22 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Good. Thanks. Please make this clear also on Twitter.

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Apr 2020
      Replying to @yaneerbaryam

      Sure. I don't see why people would take "stop social distancing" from that—would have to look at a single graph label in an article, and makes that big a decision without reading a word of the article. But okay, I'll ask others! Don't want to mislead for sure.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Apr 2020
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      I added to the thread! https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1253067119832563714 … Everyone I worked with has been clear on this. We keep saying "in addition to distancing and hygiene" every chance we get. I think people understand those by now, but for some reason, masks are still misunderstood. Hence the focus.

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      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      Folks, for clarity: As I stated in everything I have written to date, all this is a proposal to wear masks *in addition to* social distancing and hygiene measures. (@yaneerbaryam thinks people might misunderstand and I want to make sure!). MASKS ARE AN ADDITIONAL MEASURE. 😃
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        1. Neil  💯 vaxed‏ @slabss 22 Apr 2020
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          We understand :)

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