I’m looking at this picture and all I see is people with way more than six feet between them in a sunny and well-ventilated area. I wish they had masks on, but what’s else is the problem? Given how large beaches are, is there a safer way to go outdoors? I don’t get beach outrage. https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1251260796476305409 …
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Crowded grocery stores, the NYC subway where many still don’t wear masks... Those can wreak havoc. But why such concentrated outrage at something that looks quite sensible? (Not defending Florida’s other actions. Beaches kept open with distancing seem very sane and sensible.)
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zeynep tufekci Retweeted Patrick Gray
I get the feeling but that’s not science. That’s anxiety. Also I get that people are mad at other misguided policies in Florida. Fine. But I’ve yet to see an actual beach picture that warrants a concern at all proportional to the beach outrage.https://twitter.com/riskybusiness/status/1251710752664125446 …
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Does this picture give you more concern? It's from this story about reopened FL beaches, and my hunch is that it's more indicative of how people will behave: https://www.wptv.com/news/state/north-florida-beaches-among-1st-to-reopen-since-closures …pic.twitter.com/L0L7j340cO
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Replying to @JayUlfelder
Can't tell the far part but as long as groups have six feet between them, safer than anything indoors. (Those groups/families are already together indoors.) I wish they wore masks! Even indoors (much higher risk) papers say infection after sustained contact, not fleeting moment.
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I hope you're right about the groups/families. From what I'm reading and hearing, tho, I worry that some are not already together indoors, and it doesn't take a lot of "cheaters" to reaccelerate the spread, right?
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Replying to @JayUlfelder
Yeah. Though "cheaters" off your public beach are going to cram indoors. No pictures to get mad at—but bigger risk. I think we should work to convince non-household people to not congregate, but if they will (and some will), outdoors is significant harm reduction—less dangerous.
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Replying to @zeynep @JayUlfelder
It's a real challenge, managing such public health considerations for a year or more. IMO overreaction makes it harder to regulate properly. Plus, it' now falling into culture war frames, and that will kill us. As in literally. So I think outrage needs measure and good target.
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Last thing I'll say for now: thank you for speaking so early, loudly, clearly, and consistently about the risk of this pandemic, and for continuing to work so hard on ideas about how to manage and get through it. Huge public service.
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Replying to @JayUlfelder
Thank you! Happened to be at the right intersection. I'm trying to focus on communicating things on the less easy side! First it was yep, pandemic is coming (resisted!) then "we need masks" (good progress!) now "it's this is going to take a while, need long-term policies" (ugh!).
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Grateful to have a chance though! Who knew my long-term interests in pandemics would, ugh, be this handy someday. I used to teach this stuff by sneaking it into sociology classes. Anyway, hope you are well!
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