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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Apr 2020
      Replying to @consequencerisk @aetiology

      Yeah indoor spaces where people spend long periods of time and don’t wear masks (restaurants and gyms) are quite unlikely to be safe for a while.

      9 replies 58 retweets 355 likes
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    3. Hello QE My Old Friend‏ @consequencerisk 18 Apr 2020
      Replying to @pontusw @zeynep @aetiology

      I used to eat out 7 days a week. You couldn’t pay me to go to a restaurant right now. I’m going to social distance at the grill in my backyard.

      1 reply 2 retweets 65 likes
    4. Todd R. Johnson‏ @johnsontoddr4 18 Apr 2020
      Replying to @consequencerisk @pontusw and

      We won't even get takeout. I don't trust the restaurant industry to keep sick employees home and I already know of one case where a sick person was forced to go in or else lose her job.

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    6. Hello QE My Old Friend‏ @consequencerisk 18 Apr 2020
      Replying to @pontusw @johnsontoddr4 and

      You want random people who are to poor to stay home sick or well coughing on your food. It’s bad enough what is happening at the meat packaging companies where people are dying daily. I cook that food myself. I’m going to err on the side of caution. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes# …

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Apr 2020
      Replying to @consequencerisk @pontusw and

      Of course you should do what you feel comfortable but I have seen no evidence for or reason to believe this respiratory virus being food-borne. Do you have any examples or papers?

      3 replies 1 retweet 34 likes
    8. Hello QE My Old Friend‏ @consequencerisk 18 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @pontusw and

      If the guy who hands me the box has it and I touch the box I could get it. I’m not saying it’s a food borne illness. I want to avoid sick people until more info on CFR and long term health effects. I keep seeing people who are younger and in better shape getting sick and dying.

      4 replies 0 retweets 19 likes
    9. Lazarus Long‏ @LazarusLong13 18 Apr 2020
      Replying to @consequencerisk @zeynep and

      1/Unfortunately, food service employees have little to no sick time. They are deemed essential, so can't just quit and get unemployment. Employers so far haven't given them masks, so even asymptomatic employees could contaminate the plastic boxes the food is in and we open.

      3 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    10. Lazarus Long‏ @LazarusLong13 18 Apr 2020
      Replying to @LazarusLong13 @zeynep and

      2/ Per the NEJM surface stability study...72 hours. One last thought....and it's a dark one, I'm sorry. If you are stuck working a minimum-wage job where you are providing food to people getting unemployment plus an extra $600/ week, would you take any extra precautions?

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Apr 2020
      Replying to @LazarusLong13 @pontusw and

      That’s 72 hours for evidence in a PCR machine not a virus that can necessarily infect you. That’s like finding a fingerprint, not a finger that can pull the trigger. I feel comfortable washing my hands after opening a box—especially a cardboard box. Porous surface.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @LazarusLong13 and

          I think there’s too much anxiety around delivery boxes that’s not supported by science. Sure, let’s take precautions and wash our hands. I do. I’d sanitize high-touch stainless steel type surfaces. But don’t see a lot of issues with delivery for myself.

          3 replies 2 retweets 12 likes
        3. Hello QE My Old Friend‏ @consequencerisk 18 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @LazarusLong13 and

          If I guy hands me a box that is less than 72 seconds not 72 hours.

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        2. Lazarus Long‏ @LazarusLong13 19 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @pontusw and

          1/ I respectfully disagree. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973&ved=2ahUKEwjivvaA2_ToAhX_HjQIHYbiAbIQFjABegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw1mcQ4No6rsrwf5tUOZxn8C … Says showed viable virus after 72 hours on plastic. The cardboard was 24 hours...but the result was "noisy" per their original experiment...with some results out to 48 hours per the graph. "Our results in- dicate that"

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        3. Lazarus Long‏ @LazarusLong13 19 Apr 2020
          Replying to @LazarusLong13 @zeynep and

          2/ "aerosol and fomite transmission of SARS-CoV-2 is plausible, since the virus can re- main viable and infectious in aerosols for hours and on surfaces up to days (depending on the inoculum shed). These findings echo those with SARS-CoV-1, in which these forms of"

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